[Kizzy]

It was on the 6pm news last night about the level of support from Isreli women in Cyprus. It was great to see the weight of feeling there is that justice has not been done here.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well the bit I posted above was from court?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/cyprus...inst-israelis/

It was from here. at the bottom

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Over 50 Israelis have flown to Cyprus to stand by the British woman.

“The minimum we can do is to be there to offer support, to show her that we believe her,” said Orit Sulitzeanu, executive director of the Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel, adding that the protest was partly out of disgust that the “boys returned to Israel as heroes.”

The Times of Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/cyprus...rters-on-hand/

I read somewhere that apparently they came from "well connected families" and that when they arrived back into Israel people were chanting "The Brit is a *****" I'm glad that the tide has turned on them in Israel though, that says a lot

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

https://www.timesofisrael.com/cyprus...inst-israelis/

It was from here. at the bottom

I saw this comment?

Michael Davison, you are incorrect. The girl did ask for a lawyer but was told she was not entitled to one under Cypriot law. There are many questions to be answered here but certainly the Israelis receiving a hero’s welcome on their return was inappropriate, and their donning kippot at the airport was a Chilul Hashem of the highest order.

[MTVN]

Michael Davison the Facebook commenter is definitely the most reliable source in this case

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Michael Davison the Facebook commenter is definitely the most reliable source in this case

[LeatherTrumpet]

Is Cypriot criminal justice reliable?

The UK’s sovereign base areas, which rely on Cypriot law, have not adopted Britain’s 1984 Police and Criminal Evidence Act for investigations. Consequently suspects are sometimes denied access to lawyers, with proper disclosure of evidence and interviews under caution not being tape-recorded, Mercer said. “A suspect in a police station is under enormous pressure and cannot be expected to check every word of statement. Furthermore, they would find it very difficult indeed to ask the police to change the wording when it is not accurate.”

So the court would not have seen this as unjust and discounted it?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-uk-woman-face

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Is Cypriot criminal justice reliable?

The UK’s sovereign base areas, which rely on Cypriot law, have not adopted Britain’s 1984 Police and Criminal Evidence Act for investigations. Consequently suspects are sometimes denied access to lawyers, with proper disclosure of evidence and interviews under caution not being tape-recorded, Mercer said. “A suspect in a police station is under enormous pressure and cannot be expected to check every word of statement. Furthermore, they would find it very difficult indeed to ask the police to change the wording when it is not accurate.”

So the court would not have seen this as unjust and discounted it?

You don't end up with heavily corrupt police forces without similarly corrupt court systems working in tandem . You're posting evidence against your own stance at this point.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dailysabah.com/europe/20...erial-killings

here one example of another big case in Cyprus before this one

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Is Cypriot criminal justice reliable?

The UK’s sovereign base areas, which rely on Cypriot law, have not adopted Britain’s 1984 Police and Criminal Evidence Act for investigations. Consequently suspects are sometimes denied access to lawyers, with proper disclosure of evidence and interviews under caution not being tape-recorded, Mercer said. “A suspect in a police station is under enormous pressure and cannot be expected to check every word of statement. Furthermore, they would find it very difficult indeed to ask the police to change the wording when it is not accurate.”

So the court would not have seen this as unjust and discounted it?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-uk-woman-face

The guardian eh...when it suits?

The issue is her suggestion the confession was coerced and threats issued if she didn't comply.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Is Cypriot criminal justice reliable?

The UK’s sovereign base areas, which rely on Cypriot law, have not adopted Britain’s 1984 Police and Criminal Evidence Act for investigations. Consequently suspects are sometimes denied access to lawyers, with proper disclosure of evidence and interviews under caution not being tape-recorded, Mercer said. “A suspect in a police station is under enormous pressure and cannot be expected to check every word of statement. Furthermore, they would find it very difficult indeed to ask the police to change the wording when it is not accurate.”

So the court would not have seen this as unjust and discounted it?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-uk-woman-face

They may not see it as unjust but most people would I would wager and hopefully a European Court of human rights also would

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You don't end up with heavily corrupt police forces without similarly corrupt court systems working in tandem . You're posting evidence against your own stance at this point.

i am just posting why that aspect was not accepted by the court. In the UK yes. This is a small island in the med. Their roads are more dangerous too and they dont have as good tap water.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I read somewhere that apparently they came from "well connected families" and that when they arrived back into Israel people were chanting "The Brit is a *****" I'm glad that the tide has turned on them in Israel though, that says a lot

Yes, there's been a lot of coverage both in Israel and in the Jewish press in the UK. People have been disgusted, and rightly so.

From the Jewish Chronicle:

https://www.thejc.com/comment/column...ncing-1.487040

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I saw this comment?

Michael Davison, you are incorrect. The girl did ask for a lawyer but was told she was not entitled to one under Cypriot law. There are many questions to be answered here but certainly the Israelis receiving a hero’s welcome on their return was inappropriate, and their donning kippot at the airport was a Chilul Hashem of the highest order.

LOL... I thought for a minute it was you posting that... I was impressed.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, there's been a lot of coverage both in Israel and in the Jewish press in the UK. People have been disgusted, and rightly so.

From the Jewish Chronicle:

https://www.thejc.com/comment/column...ncing-1.487040

Well I really hope all this backlash (especially from the boys home country) help the girl get some sort of justice. This part of the article is so spot on even if what happened is what the boys said happened(which I clearly don't believe but for arguments sake) it's disgustingly depraved behaviour that they should be ashamed of, especially while returning to their families. Disrespectful and misogynistic and cruel at the very least

The boys in question had just returned from Cyprus, where they had been accused of raping a British tourist. While they were cleared of any legal wrongdoing, they had apparently filmed her —against her will — having consensual sex. They then kicked her out of their room and released the video online.

Originally Posted by Livia

LOL... I thought for a minute it was you posting that... I was impressed.

haha no, no idea what that means I will guess "kippot" is the hats that Jewish men wear?

[Tom4784]

Her injuries were consistent with rape, she was stated to be traumatised by the incident and the part that stuck out to me in the doctor's statements was that she wanted her parents and he said that, in his experience, it's not behaviour in line with a liar.

Honestly, I don't think you can look at the evidence that was disallowed by a corrupt judge and come to any other reasonable conclusion other than she was telling the truth.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well I really hope all this backlash (especially from the boys home country) help the girl get some sort of justice. This part of the article is so spot on even if what happened is what the boys said happened(which I clearly don't believe but for arguments sake) it's disgustingly depraved behaviour that they should be ashamed of, especially while returning to their families. Disrespectful and misogynistic and cruel at the very least

The boys in question had just returned from Cyprus, where they had been accused of raping a British tourist. While they were cleared of any legal wrongdoing, they had apparently filmed her —against her will — having consensual sex. They then kicked her out of their room and released the video online.




haha no, no idea what that means I will guess "kippot" is the hats that Jewish men wear?

The more I read, the guiltier they seem...

Yeah, kippot is one word for it, there are lots. The rest means a crime against God.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

The more I read, the guiltier they seem...

Yeah, kippot is one word for it, there are lots. The rest means a crime against God.

ah ok, yeah exactly, it seems like something to be ashamed of even if it did all happen like they claim

[Niamh.]

Almost Ł150k raised through gofundme so far to help her get justice

https://www.gofundme.com/f/Help-Teen...bMhB0o55PnEuRU

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Almost Ł150k raised through gofundme so far to help her get justice

https://www.gofundme.com/f/Help-Teen...bMhB0o55PnEuRU

......

[Niamh.]

An Update.

UK woman accused of making up Cyprus gang-rape claims has conviction quashed



A British woman found guilty of fabricating a claim that she was gang-raped in a holiday resort in Cyprus has been vindicated after the island’s supreme court overturned the conviction.

Two years after the then teenager received a suspended four-month sentence for fomenting public mischief, the court threw out the case, acknowledging she had not been given a fair trial.

“This is a watershed moment,” said Michael Polak of the legal aid group Justice Abroad, who had coordinated the appeal against the conviction. “Not just for our client who has always maintained her innocence even when doing so caused her the hardship of not being able to return home during the lengthy trial proceedings, but also for others round the world in similar positions.”

The verdict, he said, had been achieved “against the odds”.

Persefoni Panayi, the British-born president of the supreme court, upheld the appeal against the conviction, although the three-member panel was divided, with one voting against.

The Derbyshire student, now 21, had described in detail how she was raped by up to 12 Israelis in a hotel room in Ayia Napa in July 2019 after a night out with one of the tourists went horribly wrong. She had threatened to go to the European court of human rights if the effort to clear her name had failed on Monday.

The guilty verdict, handed down by the district court judge Michalis Papathanasiou, had hinged on the Briton allegedly admitting she had falsified her original complaint. Her defence team had argued the handwritten confession, which formed the basis of the prosecution case, was extracted under duress, in the absence of a lawyer, or translator, after more than seven hours of police questioning. Papathanasiou had repeatedly refused to allow the defendant, as she stood in the dock, to speak about the assault, saying: “This is not a rape trial.”

The retraction allowed the alleged assailants, who were aged between 15 and 22 and included the sons of senior Israeli officials, to immediately return home.

The woman’s status changed overnight from victim to suspect and she spent four weeks in Nicosia general prison before being forced to remain on the Mediterranean island for a further six months as court proceedings dragged on.

The woman, who has never been publicly named, was not in Nicosia to hear the news on Monday, with her lawyers describing their client as still too traumatised to travel. But in a statement, her mother responded to the outcome, saying: “It is a great relief we hear that the authorities in Cyprus have recognised the flaws in their legal process. Whilst this decision doesn’t excuse the way she was treated by the police, or the judge or those in authority, it does bring with it the hope that my daughter’s suffering will at least bring positive changes in the way victims of crime are treated.”

Demonstrators who had gathered outside the capital’s supreme court cheered as Polak applauded the Briton’s “brave Cypriot female lawyers” who, he said, were repeatedly “shouted at and treated with contempt during the trial proceedings”.

Some carried banners scrawled with the words “end rape culture” and “rape is a crime”.

Women’s groups, which have deplored the handling of the case, believe the woman not only fell victim to macho culture but also to issues of diplomacy. At a time of heightened tensions in the eastern Mediterranean over offshore energy rights, the Greek Cypriot government has been keen to maintain close ties with Jerusalem.

In Israel, where women’s rights activists have also come out in support for the university student, local media asked: “Will the boys now go on trial, or will we never find the truth?” Having denied any wrongdoing, most have spent the past two years in obligatory national service.

Polak said he was pleased with the result, but he told the Guardian that for justice to be properly rendered a fresh investigation of the rape complaint would need to be conducted.

In a 154-page dossier submitted before the supreme court, the defence team argued that the police inquiry into the teenager’s sexual assault claims was in breach of investigating standards.

“We want the investigation to be transferred to a different police force so that all the evidence in this case can be considered fairly and dispassionately,” he said. “Cypriot authorities now have a duty to properly investigate the rape complaint because it is clear that was never done.”


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...cuOuolVkjbO7RE

[arista]

"the island’s supreme court overturned the conviction."


Yes about time.
Real sad how that young lady has suffered

[Toy Soldier]

God, this story was just dripping with corruption, really awful. Of course the aim has been served now so of course it was overturned - it was ludicrous - but the eyes of the world are off of the perpetrators now and they'll never face consequences or even much scrutiny. That was the reason for doing it. From their perspective it's "fine" for her name to be cleared now because enough time has passed for the glare to be off those men, or rather, boys, which makes it somehow even more disturbing.

[Niamh.]

What she went through though and people wonder why women either don't speak up at all or take a long time to speak up......

Very interested if those animals are going to be investigated for her rape now as well

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Very interested if those animals are going to be investigated for her rape now as well

They might reopen it but they're safely tucked up back at home now and the chance of Israel co-operating with any reopened investigation is probably pretty much zero.