[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well thankfully you’re one of the more reasonable, level headed ones .

There is a strong mob rule mentality though .. I felt the whole force last night .


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tbf Zizu, you weren't shy about telling people that they weren't allowed opinions either last night

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

It’s really not anything at “you” and I’m sorry if my came across that way to you. I think it’s cruel and selfish to condemn people for committing suicide, sorry if that’s offensive to you. I wasn’t necessarily a big fan of Caroline either, but there’s really no need to make nasty comments about her death like that

They ain't nasty comments.

I disagree wholeheartedly with that view of yours that they are.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

The people who know what they are talking about will not just stand by and let people spread false information about mental health issues and suicide.

I'm calling her act of suicide selfish and cruel.Not her mental issues, at least get that right before you come again

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I'm calling her act of suicide selfish and cruel.Not her mental issues, at least get that right before you come again

The suicidal thoughts were a result of her poor mental health, they are related. You can't sink that low when you are well.

[Niamh.]

I just think it's too simplistic to call someone in that much pain and turmoil selfish. And I think it would be hurtful to those close to a person who does commit suicide to hear someone call their loved one that

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

tbf Zizu, you weren't shy about telling people that they weren't allowed opinions either last night

I found myself in a corner and felt as though I was being overpowered with everyone joining in to criticise.

There were a few who were calling for the program to be axed that never watched Love Island nor contributed to the Winter Love Island thread . .. I thought that was unfair


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[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

They ain't nasty comments.

I disagree wholeheartedly with that view of yours that they are.

Well I think referring to people who commit suicide as “cruel and selfish” is nasty, so I disagree wholeheartedly with that view of yours that it isn’t

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just think it's too simplistic to call someone in that much pain and turmoil selfish. And I think it would be hurtful to those close to a person who does commit suicide to hear someone call their loved one that

To be honest if some wants to call her selfish they can because that’s their opinion of someone who takes their own life.

We may not agree with what they are saying but they are allowed to say it.

Suicide goes against the natural human instinct to survive, and someone must be a bad place to do.

But let’s not forget those that are left behind trying to come to terms with a death of this kind.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well thankfully you’re one of the more reasonable, level headed ones .

There is a strong mob rule mentality though .. I felt the whole force last night .


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People are allowed to disagree with you, if you say something that a lot of people disagree with then it's within their right to say so.

You made out that this place only allows a certain kind of opinion but that's exactly what you are doing here, denouncing any views you dislike as nothing more than mob mentality.

[Tom4784]

I used to think suicide was selfish but then I grew up and understood it better.

Suicide is neither brave nor selfish, it's sad and tragic and nothing more. Let's not romanticise the act nor demonise the people who go through with it as weak, shall we?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

To be honest if some wants to call her selfish they can because that’s their opinion of someone who takes their own life.

We may not agree with what they are saying but they are allowed to say it.

Suicide goes against the natural human instinct to survive, and someone must be a bad place to do.

But let’s not forget those that are left behind trying to come to terms with a death of this kind.

Believe me I don't forget about those people, I am one of those people

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Believe me I don't forget about those people, I am one of those people

Me too

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People are allowed to disagree with you, if you say something that a lot of people disagree with then it's within their right to say so.



You made that this place only allows a certain kind of opinion but that's exactly what you are doing here, denouncing any views you dislike as nothing more than mob mentality.

I’m saying that playground bullying goes on .... you have a disagreement with ‘one of them’ and before you know it all the gang are joining in .

It’s not pleasant.


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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well thankfully you’re one of the more reasonable, level headed ones .

There is a strong mob rule mentality though .. I felt the whole force last night .


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I do have to agree with that...

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I used to think suicide was selfish but then I grew up and understood it better.

Suicide is neither brave nor selfish, it's sad and tragic and nothing more. Let's not romanticise the act nor demonise the people who go through with it as weak, shall we?

Wise words


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[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Me too

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Believe me I don't forget about those people, I am one of those people

I can only offer my sympathy. Two separate families both of their sons killed them selves with out warning one by hanging,his brother found him and one with his dads shot gun, his mum found him.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So she had a friend staying with her, offering help. Then she tops herself when he's out at the shop..Im sorry but I find that so selfish and cruel..

The only time I consider suicide selfish is when someone jumps in front of a car or train....imagine the effect that has on the driver.

However...what she did was probably well planned..this is what suicidal people tend to do. It has a terrible effect on any friends or family whether they were there to help her or not. You really have to be somewhere dark to go there.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Believe me I don't forget about those people, I am one of those people

Sadly...me too.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

The only time I consider suicide selfish is when someone jumps in front of a car or train....imagine the effect that has on the driver.

However...what she did was probably well planned..this is what suicidal people tend to do. It has a terrible effect on any friends or family whether they were there to help her or not. You really have to be somewhere dark to go there.

But surely allowing someone else (often a loved one)to find your body is as selfish as jumping in front of a train..

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I used to think suicide was selfish but then I grew up and understood it better.

Suicide is neither brave nor selfish, it's sad and tragic and nothing more. Let's not romanticise the act nor demonise the people who go through with it as weak, shall we?

I was the same. Thankfully not anymore though.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Sadly...me too.

Sorry to hear that, it is an awful thing to come to terms with but I don't think blaming the person is the way to go. They were clearly in such bad place to do what they did, you can't apply rational thought to such a troubled mind

ETA : Obviously not saying that you'd done that Rustic

[parmnion]

What if someone is awaiting trial for rape or abusing children then they commit suicide before facing trial..what do we call that?

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well thankfully you’re one of the more reasonable, level headed ones .

There is a strong mob rule mentality though .. I felt the whole force last night .


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Hold yourself accountable for your own opinions. People don't disagree with you because it's you, they most likely just disagree with you because they genuinely have different views.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by parmnion

But surely allowing someone else (often a loved one)to find your body is as selfish as jumping in front of a train..

It’s traumatic to anyone that finds a body....but they don’t think that far ahead. She found a window of time and did it. Someone has to find them. I would say her friends and family were aware she was suicidal (only by reading today that she warned the police)...hence why a friend was staying with her.
Someone very close left a note on her back door not to enter call 999...but it’s not always that well thought out. Yes their is a selfish element to a degree but imagine what place you must be in to do such a thing...