[Kate!]

So just posted a thread about Lin Li who drowned her daughter as a punishment for wetting herself.

She got 18 years.

Pathetic imo.

For me Life should mean Life. In every case.

I don't think we should bring back the death penalty though because of miscarriages of justice.

Discuss.

[Kazanne]

Lock them up for life,no luxuries and basic food and no parole. Im not sure about crimes of passion,but for cold bloodied murders

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kate!

I don't think we should bring back the death penalty though because of miscarriages of justice.

Discuss.

So you would be happy to lock someone up for 15 years if they are innocent but draw the line at killing them?

sounds cruel

[LeatherTrumpet]

The death penalty gives closure and revenge to the victims left behind

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So you would be happy to lock someone up for 15 years if they are innocent but draw the line at killing them?

sounds cruel

You can set someone free but you can't resurrect them

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So you would be happy to lock someone up for 15 years if they are innocent but draw the line at killing them?

sounds cruel

But state sponsored murder is soooo kind

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You can set someone free but you can't resurrect them

improve the way we prosecute, spend the money we would spend looking after monsters - keeping them warm, feeding them, letting them live their lives in relative comfort so we dont make mistakes

In the USA due to the time it takes to kill perps it costs more than it would to give them life!

That would need to change

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You can set someone free but you can't resurrect them

Agreed wholeheartedly

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

But state sponsored murder is soooo kind

call it any fancy name you want to hide behind.

at the end of the day if your child was killed, would you sleep easy knowing their murderer was in jail playing pool, taking drugs and watching sky sports laughing it up? getting out in half his sentence?

and when one murders they give up their human rights so to call it murder by the state is incorrect

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

call it any fancy name you want to hide behind.

at the end of the day if your child was killed, would you sleep easy knowing their murderer was in jail playing pool, taking drugs and watching sky sports laughing it up? getting out in half his sentence?

I thought locking people up was more cruel than death a couple of posts back

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

But state sponsored murder is soooo kind

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I thought locking people up was more cruel than death a couple of posts back

innocent ones not guilty perps (in that example)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

innocent ones not guilty perps (in that example)

So it's more cruel to kill a criminal but less cruel to kill an innocent person hhhmmmm

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So it's more cruel to kill a criminal but less cruel to kill an innocent person hhhmmmm

That was not the point

the point was people seem ok with giving life sentences to innocent people (who 9/10 times or more) do their time

but baulk at "omg what if we kill an innocent person"

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That was not the point

the point was people seem ok with giving life sentences to innocent people (who 9/10 times or more) do their time

but baulk at "omg what if we kill an innocent person"

Obviously neither is ideal but clearly one has a chance to be rectified and the other doesn't

[Kate!]

My ex killed someone...stabbed him...and he is due to get out in a few years. I think he should rot in jail. With no privileges as Kazanne said.

[Shaun]

One need only look at the crime rates of states that carry the death penalty to know that it is not a deterrent.



(From: https://www.amnestyusa.org/issues/de...nd-deterrence/ )

As for life... I think for repeat and serial offences yes. I believe there is a clear difference between killing, raping or whatever once... and doing it to multiple victims. The latter is a clear sociopath and should be imprisoned for life... with the former, there is the possibility of rehabilitation (plus other factors have to be taken into account like the perpetrator's mental health, their sobriety, the level of intent (eg. panicking and shooting someone during a robbery isn't equivalent to premeditated murder)... and so on.)

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Shaun

One need only look at the crime rates of states that carry the death penalty to know that it is not a deterrent.



(From: https://www.amnestyusa.org/issues/de...nd-deterrence/ )

As for life... I think for repeat and serial offences yes. I believe there is a clear difference between killing, raping or whatever once... and doing it to multiple victims. The latter is a clear sociopath and should be imprisoned for life... with the former, there is the possibility of rehabilitation (plus other factors have to be taken into account like the perpetrator's mental health, their sobriety, the level of intent (eg. panicking and shooting someone during a robbery isn't equivalent to premeditated murder)... and so on.)

I think most people realise its not a deterrent in the USA as it takes so long to kill someone but i doubt any serial rapist or child killer would give 2 fecks as they never think they will be caught.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Our prisons are

overcrowded
badly run
out of control
riddled with drugs
rhabilitate hardly anyone
run by prisoners

our sentencing is:
all over the shop
too lenient
lets bad people off with pathetic sentences
hammers people who really should not be in jail

something needs to be done but of course it wont because we dont like to think about bad things and we are too soft/liberal

[Zizu]

Bring back the death penalty for the worst offences and crimes against children , elderly and /disabled.
Plus let the scientists experiment on them whilst they’re waiting ..


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[smudgie]

Beyond any doubt, lethal injection for first degree murder, serial rapists or kiddy fiddling.
No to hanging though.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Beyond any doubt, lethal injection for first degree murder, serial rapists or kiddy fiddling.
No to hanging though.

hanging is quicker and more efficient if done correctly (7.5 seconds)


(see excellent film Pierrepoint)

Youtube video

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

improve the way we prosecute, spend the money we would spend looking after monsters - keeping them warm, feeding them, letting them live their lives in relative comfort so we dont make mistakes

In the USA due to the time it takes to kill perps it costs more than it would to give them life!

That would need to change

Spend the money so we don't make mistakes?

I had you down as a lot of things LT, but naive wasn't one of them.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Our prisons are

overcrowded
badly run
out of control
riddled with drugs
rhabilitate hardly anyone
run by prisoners

our sentencing is:
all over the shop
too lenient
lets bad people off with pathetic sentences
hammers people who really should not be in jail

something needs to be done but of course it wont because we dont like to think about bad things and we are too soft/liberal

Its overcrowded as they will happily lock someone up for not paying the tv license yet will not convict rapists as much as they should

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Its overcrowded as they will happily lock someone up for not paying the tv license

ERM, it's really not.

[GoldHeart]

I've always said LIFE should mean LIFE , what the hell is the point if they're allowed parole or a short sentence after heinous crimes .