[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think London will get some lock down, then maybe manchester and birmingham later, the rest numbers wise wouldn't make any sizeable difference

My thoughts are that while (temporary) lockdowns are sensible in large population centres whilst we focus on bolstering health services (mostly equipment), it makes little sense to confine unsymptomatic people to their homes in areas with low population density, including the elderly. The logic behind stopping a 75 year old going for a stroll down a country walking path with their poodles and chatting with people, so long as they keep a reasonable distance, is just ... zero.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My thoughts are that while (temporary) lockdowns are sensible in large population centres whilst we focus on bolstering health services (mostly equipment), it makes little sense to confine unsymptomatic people to their homes in areas with low population density, including the elderly. The logic behind stopping a 75 year old going for a stroll down a country walking path with their poodles and chatting with people, so long as they keep a reasonable distance, is just ... zero.

What if someone without symptoms goes to a bar ,but takes precautions like washing & wiping their hands etc ?.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

What if someone without symptoms goes to a bar ,but takes precautions like washing & wiping their hands etc ?.

you might be carrying it with no symptoms and its airborne?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

you might be carrying it with no symptoms and its airborne?

I said take precautions , it's common sense to cover face and mouth when coughing and sneezing , and to thoroughly wash their hands . I understand it can still be passed on and I mentioned that.

But I'm not sure it's realistic to expect EVERYONE to self isolate for the foreseeable future.

[LeatherTrumpet]

if you get sick pay then jobs a good un and you will be all eager to do the right thing and pontificate

If you dont and your still have a job (!) you will be looking to "interpret" these "new rules" as best you can...

If you dont think you will die then your biggest worry is going broke

[Kizzy]

NatWest will suspend mortgages for 3 months if you're affected. Can't see this happening here though...

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/03/16/fro...p11Wnm2BkYc3z4

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

NatWest will suspend mortgages for 3 months if you're affected. Can't see this happening here though...

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/03/16/fro...p11Wnm2BkYc3z4

Following what France has done is a way Boris can prove people he is right for the job.

He needs to do what's best for the public not the fat cats at this period of time

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

you might be carrying it with no symptoms and its airborne?

If you'd read that article instead of just the scary headline Cherie it is not literally airborne - it is to be considered functionally airborne in certain medical settings due to the atmospheric conditions and the risk of droplets being aerosolized. It is not airborne in the community.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you'd read that article instead of just the scary headline Cherie it is not literally airborne - it is to be considered functionally airborne in certain medical settings due to the atmospheric conditions and the risk of droplets being aerosolized. It is not airborne in the community.

Yeah it's definitely scaring people .

And the face masks doesn't protect people, it prevents you from spreading it.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

NatWest will suspend mortgages for 3 months if you're affected. Can't see this happening here though...

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/03/16/fro...p11Wnm2BkYc3z4

"Suspending"? Hmm. I can see them expecting those bills to be made up later and that's potentially even worse for those with tight finances. The temptation will be there to skip these bills even for those who don't need to right now, leading to them having bigger bills for the rest of the year and being even further stretched.

You can easily suspend your gas, electric, water and council tax bills in the UK for a couple of months. Just don't pay your direct debit. Nothing will happen, except that in a couple of months you'll need to set a new one up at an increased amount to cover the shortfall. It won't even affect your credit rating .

Rent is another matter; I can see them suspending council rents and being lenient with mortgages, leaving (as usual) private renters screwed over in the middle.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah it's definitely scaring people .

And the face masks doesn't protect people, it prevents you from spreading it.

yup, also what French president Macron had said, only for the infected and medical personnel to wear face masks

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

No not at all, people have to earn to live without work they go into crippling debts

This isn't the US, you'll get compensated if you're not able to work.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This isn't the US, you'll get compensated if you're not able to work.

Well I'm very worried about finances as I move to my own flat in 2 days and it has come at the worst possible time

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Well I'm very worried about finances as I move to my own flat in 2 days and it has come at the worst possible time

If it's a council flat then you'll probably be fine, if not then I imagine there will be something in place for private renters.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Suspending"? Hmm. I can see them expecting those bills to be made up later and that's potentially even worse for those with tight finances. The temptation will be there to skip these bills even for those who don't need to right now, leading to them having bigger bills for the rest of the year and being even further stretched.

You can easily suspend your gas, electric, water and council tax bills in the UK for a couple of months. Just don't pay your direct debit. Nothing will happen, except that in a couple of months you'll need to set a new one up at an increased amount to cover the shortfall. It won't even affect your credit rating .

Rent is another matter; I can see them suspending council rents and being lenient with mortgages, leaving (as usual) private renters screwed over in the middle.

To my mind suspending means it stops and resumes again as normal after 3 months.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This isn't the US, you'll get compensated if you're not able to work.

Unless you work for a certain multinational bookmakers that I traumatically used to work for, where they're threatening people over the phone if they try to call in for quarantine reasons, and stating point blank (with ambiguous authority, from what I remember of my contract it's BS) that they won't be paying sick pay. When half of the customer base is men over 60

But either way in general I think this is wishful thinking Dezzy; deep down you know that not everyone is going to be compensated for loss of income by either the govt. or the companies they work for, and the Tories will not compel said companies to do so when all's said and done.

[LukeB]

Influencers are telling people not to go work and shaming them for it! it's alright for them they can earn loads of money at home by making vids and that but some of us won't be able to work during a lockdown if that happens. We still need to think about the aftermath because bills and that don't pay by themselves and we still have to survive.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If it's a council flat then you'll probably be fine, if not then I imagine there will be something in place for private renters.

They'll remove private landlord's right to evict for a while but, even if there is a rule put in place to stop a debt recovery action for the missed payments, there's literally no legal basis for them stopping the landlords upping the rent when the suspension is over to make up the shortfall (which most will do).

[Nicky91]

or Strictly Pro AJ who wanted to continue with his own tour, despite it having audiences above 100 people

he's getting negative comments on social media even from his fans, who call him ''selfish''

https://www.instagram.com/p/B90DUikn4W6/

now he finally had to say it, few shows being postponed

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Influencers are telling people not to go work and shaming them for it! it's alright for them they can earn loads of money at home by making vids and that but some of us won't be able to work during a lockdown if that happens. We still need to think about the aftermath because bills and that don't pay by themselves and we still have to survive.

Not only that but if everyone listens we're ****ed. Food manufacturers, goods transporters and food retail staff MUST continue to work or we're in a whole different heap of trouble.