[Kate!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

“You can wind up hurting someone who you love, or hurting someone wholly inadvertently. Social distancing works, and you need social distancing everywhere,” Cuomo warned.

and what is his science he is using?


the answer is NONE, based on covid 19

he is abusing science to justify his measure and that is vile

In regards to that quote he is talking common sense. Science does not come into it.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Except up until last week he thought herd immunity was a good idea, so....

Yeah Idk kinda hard to extend any sort of sympathy or support to him after that

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kate!

In regards to that quote he is talking common sense. Science does not come into it.

I would have thought so too

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Cos they like going to t'pub innit.

That's about it Kate

[Kizzy]

It will come as no surprise that no I don't think boris has been consistent or genuine in his responses to the threat facing the country, he suggested 250,000 tests would be carried out ..when his medical expert responded he quoted the actual figure was 25,000.

He gave credence to some pseudoscience as in the antibody tests... these do not yet exist which makes the man no better than a snake oil salesman!
Giving false hope to all.

We all know he and his ilk would love nothing more than th run with herd immunity and sacrifice 1000s. ..but he knows that goes against experts the world over and he would never get away with his ' for the greater good' machinations.

He wanted us all to sacrifice our loved ones ..for what? Why?

This had so easily been forgotten already, people are too scared, bamboozled or overloaded with information to see the rapid 180 he made on this, the suggestion alone should be unforgivable... but no, once again the Wolf in sheep's clothing manages to pull the wool over eyes and ears.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think it's easy to forget the suddenness with which this has all exploded. Nobody was contemplating a situation like we have now 2 or 3 weeks ago. Only 2 months ago the Chinese were assuring us that the virus couldn't be transmitted from person to person. It's a completely new phenomenon which is not well understood and the science behind it is changing all the time. I think the very least we owe any government trying to respond to this is to cut them a bit of slack because there is no precedent for this and there is no 'right' course of action. I'm already dreading all the smug commentators who use the power of hindsight in a few months time to cast blame on various figures and tell the tale of where it all went wrong. Imo we should all just be grateful that we don't have to carry the burden of decision making over the lives of millions of people.

No ...no slack! There is a right course of action! Every country has contingency plans for pandemics.
Again our band of bozos plough ahead stubbornly going against every expert and health advisory body in the world. Boris has and will have more blood on his hands for his inaction.
No commentators are smug... what a blasé term. He has to be held accountable, the sycophantic poor boris was just doing his best is pathetic and wrong.
He was trying to sacrifice the vulnerable against all advice that this would be tantamount to a massacre. .end of story.

[The Slim Reaper]

I doubt these reprobates have the required knowledge to appease everyone, but still...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No ...no slack! There is a right course of action! Every country has contingency plans for pandemics.
Again our band of bozos plough ahead stubbornly going against every expert and health advisory body in the world. Boris has and will have more blood on his hands for his inaction.
No commentators are smug... what a blasé term. He has to be held accountable, the sycophantic poor boris was just doing his best is pathetic and wrong.
He was trying to sacrifice the vulnerable against all advice that this would be tantamount to a massacre. .end of story.

'Every expert'? Really? I don't know why people seem to think we have uniquely mishandled this given that all of western Europe are showing very similar paths. I bet every other country are lamenting their own leaders incompetence as well right now

You accuse me of being blase and then in the space of a few sentences you refer to our leading epidemiological experts as 'bozos', you talk about 'blood on hands', 'sacrificing' people and committing a 'massacre'

Maybe check your own language and ask if that's appropriate in a crisis like this

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

'Every expert'? Really? I don't know why people seem to think we have uniquely mishandled this given that all of western Europe are showing very similar paths. I bet every other country are lamenting their own leaders incompetence as well right now

You accuse me of being blase and then in the space of a few sentences you refer to our leading epidemiological experts as 'bozos', you talk about 'blood on hands', 'sacrificing' people and committing a 'massacre'

Maybe check your own language and ask if that's appropriate in a crisis like this

Yes..the WORLD health organisation. The clue is in the name.

I'm not the one making predictions on how commentators will report on him am I? you are....
I know what he's done and how wrong it was no other country has advocated herd immunity, which one of his 'experts' advocated that? ... do you know?

I'm very clear on whats appropriate. .. like not suggesting people can be screened for antibodies when there is no workable screening available for this virus.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

whatever makes you feel better i guess, it must be difficult for those who who are extreme on the left to support a moderate party who are currently doing things for the best of the UK and not for political points?

but that is where we are and our government needs ALL our support in this crisis

Yeah, we're all in this together and you're not AT ALL motivated by political point scoring when you responded to Smithy's criticism of Boris not acting fast enough by basically saying he can't have that opinion unless he has 'credentials' (Read: An opinion you like) just because he criticised your precious Boris.

The holier-than-thou act doesn't work when you're being incredibly hypocritical and don't be predictable by going into Helen Lovejoy mode because that's not going to work either.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes..the WORLD health organisation. The clue is in the name.

I'm not the one making predictions on how commentators will report on him am I? you are....
I know what he's done and how wrong it was no other country has advocated herd immunity, which one of his 'experts' advocated that? ... do you know?

I'm very clear on whats appropriate. .. like not suggesting people can be screened for antibodies when there is no workable screening available for this virus.

No other country? This is the Dutch PM Mark Rutte a few days ago. They have been very close to the UK in their response

The reality is that the coronavirus is among us and will remain among us for the time being. There is no easy or quick way out of this very difficult situation. The reality is that in the near future a large part of the Dutch population will be infected with the virus.

That is what the experts are telling us now. And what they also tell us is that, pending a vaccine or medicine, we can slow down the spread of the virus while at the same time building group immunity in a controlled way

I have to explain that.

Those who have had the virus are usually immune afterwards. Just like in the old days with measles. The larger the group that is immune, the less chance that the virus will jump to vulnerable elderly people and people with poor health. With group immunity you build, as it were, a protective wall around them.

That is the principle. But we have to realize that it can take months or even longer to build up group immunity and during that time we need to shield people who are at greater risk as much as possible.

All in all, there are three possible scenarios. The first scenario is: maximally controlling the virus. This leads to controlled distribution among groups that are least at risk.

That is our scenario of choice. Maximum control means that we try to use measures to level off and smooth the peak in the number of infections and spread it over a longer period.

With this approach in which most people will only get minor complaints, we build immunity and ensure that the healthcare system can handle it. With the aim that nursing homes, in-home care, hospitals, and especially intensive care units are not overloaded. So that there is always sufficient capacity to help the people who are most vulnerable.
Full speech: https://order-order.com/2020/03/17/p...ish-full-text/

It's the CMO Chris Whitty who used the term herd immunity in one of the press briefings. As far as I am aware Boris has never used the term himself - happy to be corrected. The PM has done nothing that has not been advised by the most qualified scientists in this country - they are not 'bozos'

Edit - sorry it was Sir Patrick Vallance the CSO who used the term

[Twosugars]

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kate!

In regards to that quote he is talking common sense. Science does not come into it.

Based on what?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I doubt these reprobates have the required knowledge to appease everyone, but still...

And if when they make policy decisions for millions and not medical for individuas tweet that

😷

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Based on what?

Based on common sense. Like I said.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And if when they make policy decisions for millions and not medical for individuas tweet that

😷

Now not only do they need scientific/medical experience, they need to be making policy decisions for millions?

You're turning into a parody of yourself now.

[Tom4784]

Pretty much everyone called bull**** on the immunity plan as soon as he said it, it's why he backpedalled so quickly.

The only thing that Boris has done right is make sure that people will be protected and provided for and that seems mostly down to Rishi Sunak. They've gone above and beyond in that regard but Boris' delayed response and his apparent disregard for human life will cause damage that could have been avoided.

I think we should have followed Ireland's example, I predict they'll be far less affected by the virus then we will be because they took action early.

Look at South Korea, like with the rest of Asia, they were hit hard but their quick and stringent response has turned the tide. They're due another wave, apparently, but they seem more prepared for it than most countries.

[parmnion]

I back Boris.

Anyone who doesn't should go out and protest, im surprised they ain't. The brains of them.

Im probably as surprised as the moaning people are that he hasn't downrigtt ruled marshal law on us...only they are all probably asleep unable to slag him off in this desperate time...some of them may be travelling back to England after a days ski ing in aviemore..

[Toy Soldier]

We should also remember that the only reason huge financial steps have been taken to support people, is that the economic damage of doing that is less than the economic damage of allowing huge swathes of the working and middle classes to go bankrupt. It's a move to protect the economy, not a humanitarian move. That doesn't make it a bad thing of course but its important to keep motivations firmly in mind.

[Toy Soldier]

Same with the efforts to support businesses big and small: better for the economy to ensure that people have jobs to return to, than to deal with mass unemployment in 6 months.

[parmnion]

He has backed the people.

We have let him down, we saw it as a telling off..we went nah nah nah..it's our fault, not his.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He has backed the people.

We have let him down, we saw it as a telling off..we went nah nah nah..it's our fault, not his.

Absolutely right

[Marsh.]

Boris loves people who stay on their knees cleaning up the slop and blame themselves.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Boris loves people who stay on their knees cleaning up the slop and blame themselves.

I'm sure your knighthood is in the post after all this is over.

[Twosugars]

Let's not forget that so far the self employed have been left behind.
I expect the chancellor will have to make another announcement about helping them.

Economic help is a no brainer and not some sign of generosity. Otherwise there would be not much left from the economy after this is over.