[Smithy]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

It's like you actually think covid is the only possible cause of death since march

And yet you seem hellbent on blaming every yet death in Italy on covid and expect a lot more

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Smithy

And yet you seem hellbent on blaming every yet death in Italy on covid and expect a lot more

When did I blame every death in Italy on covid? Or do you not understand English when I say they are not added the deaths in the care homes

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

It's all guess work at this point but people are using different statistics to bat the government and try make out they know best when they are just armchair warriors

So when is fair criticism of the government allowed? Maybe you and your omniscience could let us know.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So when is fair criticism of the government allowed? Maybe you and your omniscience could let us know.

You can say it's the worse country at the end when all the facts are out there not just the ones that favour you

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So when is fair criticism of the government allowed? Maybe you and your omniscience could let us know.

When labour get back in, in about 487 years time.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

You can say it's the worse country at the end when all the facts are out there not just the ones that favour you

Yes, all the posts you've made in this thread blaming everyone and every thing except the government is based on facts and not unproven hypothesis.
You have no agenda in your constant "haters just wanna hate the government" tripe.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Convincing yourself that other countries have it worse won't help with the problems we have. It's just a distraction tactic really.

I mean the whole point of this thread is comparing it to other European countries, People aren’t distracting

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Well they’re not in Europe and their infrastructure/healthcare system is nothing like our own so it seems odd to even think of comparing the two

So you decide when comparisons are odd/abnormal? So it’s not odd to compare deaths in care homes + deaths in hospitals with the U.K. against solely hospital deaths in other European countries, yet it is completely odd to compare with other non European countries?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

It's like you actually think covid is the only possible cause of death since march

Who's said that?... :/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

If they dont give a cause of death they have to have an autopsy and they dont have the facilities to deal with thousands of autopsies

If there is another cause of death then that will be given, for lung cancer it would be organ failure imo. If covid was a contributory factor leading to that happening prematurely then that will be shown

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

So you decide when comparisons are odd/abnormal? So it’s not odd to compare deaths in care homes + deaths in hospitals with the U.K. against solely hospital deaths in other European countries, yet it is completely odd to compare with other non European countries?

This is literally so dumb if you want to compare an MEDC to an LEDC go ahead

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Smithy

This is literally so dumb if you want to compare an MEDC to an LEDC go ahead

Where have I said they’re comparable? Once again misreading. I’m just pointing out your hypocrisy. And I’d say exactly the same statement back at you in regards to comparing total deaths of the U.K. with Countries only counting hospital deaths and suggesting it as a suitable comparison, go ahead..

[GoldHeart]

These figures come from where?? , we know alot of people have died but just how accurate is it when it comes to deaths from Covid-19.

They tell us we're at the peak and all we hear in the news is more death . I just don't know what to make of it all.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I mean the whole point of this thread is comparing it to other European countries, People aren’t distracting

Except they are because they're convincing themselves that other countries have it worse so they can ignore our issues. Accepting that we have the worst death rates in Europe is simply accepting facts as we stand, undermining the data to try to make the UK look favourable with a vague non-factual statement like 'other countries have it worse' is pure distraction tactics.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Except they are because they're convincing themselves that other countries have it worse so they can ignore our issues. Accepting that we have the worst death rates in Europe is simply accepting facts as we stand, undermining the data to try to make the UK look favourable with a vague non-factual statement like 'other countries have it worse' is pure distraction tactics.

No it's the fact we and France are the only countries who are counting deaths in care homes so it's not a fair comparison to go off

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

No it's the fact we and France are the only countries who are counting deaths in care homes so it's not a fair comparison to go off

But all this is motivated by a defensiveness that's ultimately unhelpful. Sure, the stats might not be entirely accurate but the chances that we aren't at the top of the list is slight, let's be real.

Instead of seeking to discredit the list, we should be demanding changes and actions to save lives and prevent us from having such a horrible stat in future.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

No it's the fact we and France are the only countries who are counting deaths in care homes so it's not a fair comparison to go off

we dutch are counting deaths in care homes few weeks later than they originally passed away

hospital deaths are known immediately, but for care homes there just is that delay

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But all this is motivated by a defensiveness that's ultimately unhelpful. Sure, the stats might not be entirely accurate but the chances that we aren't at the top of the list is slight, let's be real.

Actually I think the adjusted stats if they were compiled identically and adjusted for population size across Europe, it would show that all of the larger countries with the exception of Germany have roughly the same figures across the board.

At the absolute minimum, directly comparing a flat figure for a country with 65 million people to a country with 40 million people isn't just incorrect, it's plain stupid. "You'd get the wrong answer on a primary school maths test" sort of stupid.

[LeatherTrumpet]

When someone can find me a European country with a city hub like London then we can compare