[James]

When there is lower economy activity there is less tax coming in, which means less money to spend on public services.

That is (part of) the price of the lockdown.

I guess they'll try not to cut health spending though.

[bitontheslide]

if we have another lockdown, we won't have an nhs because the country will have gone bust. People can wring their hands as much as they like. Do NHS staff deserve a pay rise ... of course they do ... can we afford it? No, we can't

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by James

When there is lower economy activity there is less tax coming in, which means less money to spend on public services.

That is (part of) the price of the lockdown.

I guess they'll try not to cut health spending though.

There's more than one theory about how to deal with that reality though.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They almost lost the 2017 election due to May's home grab and that was with Jeremy in the chair , this would be Nick Clegg kind of stupid I am afraid, they need to be especially careful as Keir Starmer is going to be formidable in opposition I think

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if we have another lockdown, we won't have an nhs because the country will have gone bust. People can wring their hands as much as they like. Do NHS staff deserve a pay rise ... of course they do ... can we afford it? No, we can't

Cherie, meet the public.

[Liam-]

They manage to find money whenever they need to bail out a bank, maybe they just feel bankers are worth more than the doctors and nurse

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Liam-

They manage to find money whenever they need to bail out a bank, maybe they just feel bankers are worth more than the doctors and nurse

Of course, no one will have any financial concerns when they force us out on a no deal at the end of the year. We have until the end of june to ask for an extension, otherwise it's pretty much guaranteed to be a no-deal, which was so bad on it's own, that they were stockpiling body bags for, but throw it on the back of a global pandemic and good times are ahead.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They almost lost the 2017 election due to May's home grab and that was with Jeremy in the chair , this would be Nick Clegg kind of stupid I am afraid, they need to be especially careful as Keir Starmer is going to be formidable in opposition I think

They are in power for the next 5 years or so. By the time we will have another election, those that want to vote for them will vote for them and the rest will be swayed by the media failing to highlight all these things as per.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Can there be anyone in the country who wouldn't be willing to pay a little more for the NHS?

Well, there will be plenty still moaning it’s the governments fault for putting the taxes up.

[Tom4784]

Since it's the tories doing this, the majority of the population will conveniently ignore it or find some way to blame Jeremy Corbyn for it.

This nation will pretend to care when it gets them a few likes on Facebook when they wheel out fireworks or a ****ing brass band every Thursday night to clap for their own self interests but they won't say anything about this. It's a disgrace that such a thing is happening and a disgrace that people will let it slide by without a word.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Well, there will be plenty still moaning it’s the governments fault for putting the taxes up.

The left was (generally) pro taxation, especially all those months ago back in december when we wanted to pay for a fully funded NHS and its employees (does that sound relevant in this thread?). Anti-taxation tends to come more from the right, which is why it's so heartening to see in this thread that even those on the hard right, are suddenly coming round to taxation as a means to pay for social programs.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The left was (generally) pro taxation, especially all those months ago back in december when we wanted to pay for a fully funded NHS and its employees (does that sound relevant in this thread?). Anti-taxation tends to come more from the right, which is why it's so heartening to see in this thread that even those on the hard right, are suddenly coming round to taxation as a means to pay for social programs.

I don’t think it will be either left or right Slim.
I think we are generally a nation of whingers.

[James]

I was listening this morning to Spotify (Tron: Legacy soundtrack) and I got annoyed by an advert from a Scottish Government guy making a point of how they weren't relaxing the lockdown rules, and it occurred to me...

The Scottish Government is only responsible for raising part of its budget through taxes it sets. The rest of it comes from the UK government.

So politically the SNP can have the lockdown go on for longer, and deflect the blame to the UK government if that causes additional spending cuts.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by James

I was listening this morning to Spotify (Tron: Legacy soundtrack) and I got annoyed by an advert from a Scottish Government guy making a point of how they weren't relaxing the lockdown rules, and it occurred to me...

The Scottish Government is only responsible for raising part of its budget through taxes it sets. The rest of it comes from the UK government.

So politically the SNP can have the lockdown go on for longer, and deflect the blame to the UK government if that causes additional spending cuts.

Or, all nations could invest in the crumbling infrastructure that's been left to fall to pieces by governments of both parties over the last half century, create a massive jobs and works program investing in British workers (for the gallahads), that would then invest their salaries back into the economy, raising taxes and mobility.

[bitontheslide]

health should be a priority for decades to come, and this crisis just isnt comparable to the banks. Families have lost loved ones, families have had critically ill members returned to them in good health .... those things aren't forgotten .... ever. The public will demand that health is a priority, the problem is with 10 bob in the bank, it's difficult to do anything, even with the best intentions

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if we have another lockdown, we won't have an nhs because the country will have gone bust. People can wring their hands as much as they like. Do NHS staff deserve a pay rise ... of course they do ... can we afford it? No, we can't

Very Possible.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the dreadful poor centrally controlled model the NHS is built on and its poor management IS the reason for the lockdown

as otherwise it would have failed

I guess at least if we were in Russia or China we could just lie and say its all working fine and hardly anyone has died

So the socialist premise the NHS was founded on is the reason for the mismanagement of the NHS over recent times?

Now we are lying and attempting to gloss over deaths tbh. The move to conservatism has killed more people than any war ever...let's not forget this.

[Cherie]

Peston is interviewing Governor of Bank of England tonight 10.45ITV...not the best at understanding these things but apparently they are buying the debt and will hold it or something so there won’t be a period of austerity at the end of this ...someone else can explain it better I am sure

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-13/...robert-peston/

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So the socialist premise the NHS was founded on is the reason for the mismanagement of the NHS over recent times?

Now we are lying and attempting to gloss over deaths tbh. The move to conservatism has killed more people than any war ever...let's not forget this.

What on earth are you on about here?

[parmnion]

basildon hospital has a bloke standing outside everyday clapping all day.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What on earth are you on about here?

Ok