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29-05-2020, 12:40 PM | #1 | |||
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When it comes to comic book movies, I prefer Marvel as I don't really like their comics. I really do like DC comics though, so I'm hard to please when it comes to the movies.
I still can't stand Man of Steel, but BvS and JL have settled down to being stupid fun/guilty pleasures. That said, I do think Snyder Cut will be better than what was released. Especially if new footage is made! Quote:
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29-05-2020, 03:23 PM | #2 | ||
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I'm hyped for it, I like Snyder's over-long over-stylised stuff . I can't help it. I even like Sucker Punch.
What will happen if it does well though... They had all but given up on the current iteration of the JL - but then Aquaman did very well (largely thanks to Momoa's popularity), but Henry Cavill's popularity and star appeal has been rising steadily as well. They even had Ezra Miller's "Flash" cameo in the Arrowverse Flash (Crisis) which was somehow kept totally under wraps until it aired. But then you have the sticking point of Batfleck being done and dusted and Pattman taking over, and I highly doubt it'll be to play the same version... I'm imagining Pattinson will be playing an earlier "peak" Batman, not Affleck's "Been there, done that, locked all the villains in Arkham and just about ready to retire" Batman. I can see them wanting to do more JL stuff but not sure how they'll pull it together. |
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29-05-2020, 03:28 PM | #3 | |||
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Think it's quite brave. The Snyder cut has been almost mythologised after the disappointing release.
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29-05-2020, 03:30 PM | #4 | |||
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I think I read somewhere Caville is staying on as Supes, so if Snyder wanted to film new parts with him at least it'd be technically possible. I didn't know how much was filmed before Whatshisface took over, but from the sounds of it Snyder had enough raw footage to whittle something together? |
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29-05-2020, 03:33 PM | #5 | |||
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I just hope it lives up to it!! |
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29-05-2020, 03:45 PM | #6 | ||
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I can't say I'm too excited about it, Man of Steel and BvS are solid 6/10s or 7/10s at a push but he never really understood the source material that well. Justice League was just a bad film and I don't think anything can truly save it.
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29-05-2020, 03:46 PM | #7 | ||
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It's rumoured that WW84 might have nicked the flashpoint storyline to an extent, I believe.
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29-05-2020, 03:55 PM | #8 | |||
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Oh cool, I hadn't heard that!!
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30-05-2020, 09:57 AM | #9 | ||
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The worst part of JL for me though is that it feels cobbled together... Because it is cobbled together. Other major downfalls are Flash being clumsy and underpowered, and just the general lack of character development. Aquaman, Flash solo, a solo Batman and maybe even the second WW should have come before they even started filming JL. They got impatient wanting to compete with Avengers. Ironically (Covid aside), NOW would be the right time to be geari g up for JL because although it's not exactly what they intended... Marvel feels very much "complete" at the moment after Endgame. They would have a clear field.
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30-05-2020, 10:10 AM | #10 | |||
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(think I'll turn this into a general DC movies thread)
I hope the Batman movie isn't going to be too early in his career, there's no real need for an origin story - I'm pretty sure Batman's origin is in "everyone knows" territory, so they'd be better off just getting on with it. I'm not a member any comicsy forums or anything - comics online fandom is awful - but a comparison I read somewhere was James Bond. Whenever the lead changes, they don't start his career from the beginning. He just gets on with Bondy things. The Zero Year comics were good. It was right after Bruce started being Batman, but before he had any Robins or met most of his enemies, etc. Actually, Riddler was one of the main villains in that story, and he's going to be in The Batman, so that could be a good shout! |
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30-05-2020, 01:01 PM | #11 | |||
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Excited for this! I loved Snyder's director's cut of Watchmen and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and I'm certain this will be just as good.
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30-05-2020, 01:07 PM | #12 | |||
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30-05-2020, 01:28 PM | #13 | ||
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But yeah, I think the big Avengers-style team up films are not going to feature for Marvel for quite a while now, and that would have been the perfect opportunity to hype Justice League as its own thing rather than "competing". Last edited by Toy Soldier; 30-05-2020 at 01:29 PM. |
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30-05-2020, 01:34 PM | #14 | ||
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I hope they stick with the overall style from BvS though and don't tone down the violence. BvS batman was snapping limbs and cracking skulls and it was great . |
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30-05-2020, 03:35 PM | #15 | |||
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As long as he doesn't kill!!
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31-05-2020, 11:45 AM | #16 | ||
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What the extended ultimate edition fight scene where he's saving Martha (Clark's one, obviously)... I don't think they explicitly show deaths but some of those guys are clearly ****ing dead . Or at least paralysed for life or in a coma. At one point he hits a guy so hard that he flips and lands on his head. It's great
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31-05-2020, 12:52 PM | #17 | |||
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In the Batman comic I'm on now he's fixated with breaking Bane's back Well sort of, if Bane doesn't release the guy who can cure Gotham Girl. |
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31-05-2020, 02:56 PM | #18 | ||
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I still don't particularly rate Jesse Eisenberg's interpretation of the character, but it at least vastly improves my impression of how it was written. I find it quite interesting really just from a "film-fan" perspective. No one cut that was made is huge on its own, yet the restored version is in my opinion a FAR superior film. Part of why I'm so hyped/fascinated to see the new JL cut where by all accounts the changes were much bigger. Obligatory to add though: "Hey lol both of our mums are called Martha?" is still the dumbest and least plausible reason for the fighting to suddenly stop and Bats+Supes to become BFF's I can imagine. I know it's supposed to be indicative of a "light bulb" moment for Bruce realising that there's a man with a whole other life under the cape, and he's not just the god-like figure in the cape... but it doesn't land right. The writing there is so bad . Wish they'd do a third cut where they replace that with some longer exposition . Oh a final point: Steppenwolf was briefly introduced (communicating with Luthor) and that was also cut... which had the knock-on effect of making his introduction in JL seem totally random. I have no idea why they'd cut foreshadowing like that from the theatrical release. Just lots of very odd choices. There are plenty of other scenes that could have been snipped or shortened to whittle away 30 mins... but they chose loads of story-critical stuff. I feel like whoever did the cutting decided that they were keeping all of the action intact, so all of the cuts had to come from the plot. Which was a mistake. Funnily enough... these days I think they'd just have left the film at 3h in the cinema . There was an idea at the time that audiences wouldn't tolerate a film longer than 2.5h. It's still sort of a thing I guess - they did consider chopping Infinity War/Endgame into a trilogy of shorter movies instead of a two-parter, too. |
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31-05-2020, 03:37 PM | #19 | |||
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I'm convinced, I'm gonna watch the extended cut of BvS asap
Yeah Lex came off like the Joker or something. If the Snyderverse version of him was meant to be a bit of a basketcase I could (reluctantly!) go along with it, but I don't really think that's what he was going for. Oh I didn't know Steppenwolf was originally in BvS, I thought his role in JL was originally going to be Darkseid, but he was replaced after Snyder left? It'd be cool if the Female Furies were fighting the Amazonians, They recently had a pretty decent comic miniseries by Cecil Castellucci, and having them cameo could open the door for a future movie. Like I said in the "last movie watched" thread, I do prefer the animated DC movies over the live action ones. |
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13-06-2020, 08:23 PM | #20 | |||
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Spoiler: Love this, the three then-future Robins and Batgirl being inspired by the then-new Bat Light <3 |
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23-08-2020, 09:15 AM | #21 | |||
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Gahh it looks sooo good! And is blatantly a completely different movie to the #HollywoodHackCut from Whedon Darkseid looks badass but I hope his CGI isn't finished yet because it's not great Last edited by Oliver_W; 23-08-2020 at 09:16 AM. |
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23-08-2020, 09:35 AM | #22 | ||
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I'm just pondering how much footage they must have shot for the film - there's basically NOTHING in the trailer that's in the original film . I think maybe the Aquaman-big-waves scene and that's it.
I wouldn't hold out too much hope for the CGI - it's probably not going to be quite big-screen-quality since TV effects never are, they just don't have the same budget. They can be pretty decent these days though and will likely still have some polishing up to do. Also while DC does superhero-effects very well IMO, their facial CGI is a bit "video gamey" compared to the Marvel movies... they just don't have those Disney-quality animators to lean on. |
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23-08-2020, 02:11 PM | #23 | ||
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Yeah, I'm quite stunned about how much footage must have went unused, especially if there's enough to fill up multiple parts since they're releasing the film as a four part series, I believe so that's likely four hours of content.
I still don't hold out much hope of it being good, though. Man of Steel was passable and BVS was decent but Snyder's never really understood the DC universe and it's characters and I can't see it changing in this either. |
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23-08-2020, 02:16 PM | #24 | |||
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23-08-2020, 04:01 PM | #25 | |||
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There was tons of reshoots, and last I heard some new footage will be shot too.
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