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Old 01-06-2020, 09:28 AM #1051
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Sure, people who associate with Antifa can reasonably be called terrorists, but it's not fair to tar them all with that brush.
Antifa isn't a group to associate with and has no organisation or leaders. They've just become bogeymen for those that are suddenly having their fascistic ideals challenged. In a world whee the KKK (an actual organisation with structure and hierarchy) isn't a terrorost group, it's truly bizarre.

Everyyone who fought against the nazi's in ww2 was antifa, the jews released from the camps were antifa, churchill was antifa.
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It’s ANTIFA and the Radical Left. Don’t lay the blame on others!


So says our Donald and I guess he has the best intelligence to make that call
He's too busy hiding in his bunker to know anything about anything. Remember when trump was the tough talker and not a bunker hider?
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Antifa isn't a group to associate with and has no organisation or leaders. They've just become bogeymen for those that are suddenly having their fascistic ideals challenged. In a world whee the KKK (an actual organisation with structure and hierarchy) isn't a terrorost group, it's truly bizarre.

Everyyone who fought against the nazi's in ww2 was antifa, the jews released from the camps were antifa, churchill was antifa.
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Explain or move along because your trolling is starting to wear thin now.
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Explain or move along because your trolling is starting to wear thin now.
with respect, your post is nonsense, antifa is very much a thing that certain types are associated with
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with respect, your post is nonsense, antifa is very much a thing that certain types are associated with
So at least one of you should be able to explain why. And yet here we are, the same 2 suspects...
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Antifa is literally anti-facist, it’s a movement not an organisation, like slim said the KKK is an actual organisation, with membership cards no less, they meet and they organise and they have terrorised for god knows how long, they have actually killed people, until they are declared a terrorist organisation, then they don’t really have a leg to stand on with anything else
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"A thing" "certain types"
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It’s ANTIFA and the Radical Left. Don’t lay the blame on others!


So says our Donald and I guess he has the best intelligence to make that call
Actually the Proud Boys are involved
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Why not both?

Like, how many people are even in the KKK now? What have they done recently?

No-one here would say that fighting fascism is a bad thing. But where is the fascism? It's not in the stores that get smashed up or the building that get torched. Unless they're going to use their violence against valid targets, they're terrorists.

You can be against fascism without associating with Antifa, they don't really suit their own name.
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Why not both?

Like, how many people are even in the KKK now? What have they done recently?

No-one here would say that fighting fascism is a bad thing. But where is the fascism? It's not in the stores that get smashed up or the building that get torched. Unless they're going to use their violence against valid targets, they're terrorists.

You can be against fascism without associating with Antifa, they don't really suit their own name.
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with respect, your post is nonsense, antifa is very much a thing that certain types are associated with
They are less dangerous then white supremacists groups who Trump idolised

Antifa had 0 deaths since 2012 white supremacists have been involved in over 50 now tell me who the terrorist are
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Why not both?

Like, how many people are even in the KKK now? What have they done recently?

No-one here would say that fighting fascism is a bad thing. But where is the fascism? It's not in the stores that get smashed up or the building that get torched. Unless they're going to use their violence against valid targets, they're terrorists.

You can be against fascism without associating with Antifa, they don't really suit their own name.
Are you against facism?
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Of course. But I'm also against destroying homes and livelihoods.

If the movement really was against fascism, they wouldn't behave the way they do.
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Of course. But I'm also against destroying homes and livelihoods.

If the movement really was against fascism, they wouldn't behave the way they do.
If you’re against facism then you’re antifa, antifa isn’t about rioting and violence, antifa is a belief and imo, a moral obligation to be against all forms of facism, seeing some people doing some bad things and blaming an entire movement is counter productive and kind of proving their point, Trump is using a word he has no understanding of to try and shut down people who directly disagree with his politics, ironically strengthening the reason for antifa in the process
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If you’re against facism then you’re antifa, antifa isn’t about rioting and violence, antifa is a belief and imo, a moral obligation to be against all forms of facism, seeing some people doing some bad things and blaming an entire movement is counter productive and kind of proving their point, Trump is using a word he has no understanding of to try and shut down people who directly disagree with his politics, ironically strengthening the reason for antifa in the process
Antifa is a movement, not a frame of mind. It's the branch of the movement who escalates peaceful protests into riots that people find repellent and that Trump wants to brand as terrorists, not every single person who's against fascism.
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Antifa is a movement, not a frame of mind. It's the branch of the movement who escalates peaceful protests into riots that people find repellent and that Trump wants to brand as terrorists, not every single person who's against fascism.
It's very contradictory of him, he wants to ban something that has no leader or roots but he wont ban groups that murder non white people for the crime of not being white because they vote him in
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It's very contradictory of him, he wants to ban something that has no leader or roots but he wont ban groups that murder non white people for the crime of not being white because they vote him in
Do the KKK still do that? I agree they should be properly labelled as terrorists, but that also falls on Obama, Bush, and everyone before them while it existed.

Movements can be terrorist, to be fair. Antifa thugs are clearly different from peaceful protesters.
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Antifa is a movement, not a frame of mind. It's the branch of the movement who escalates peaceful protests into riots that people find repellent and that Trump wants to brand as terrorists, not every single person who's against fascism.
Yeah it’s a movement, like BLM, a movement without a leader and without a hierarchy, some might get violent, but it’s not the main aim, the main aim is to protest against facism, trying to get it designated as a ‘terrorist organisation’ is in direct conflict with the first amendment and is a blatant power move by a leader who abhors people that doesn't agree with his politics
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