[Cherie]

If he was a burglar in the area, poor Maddy was probably in the wrong place and the wrong time, she might have been awake and it was opportunist...

awful that it has taken 13 years to find this guy given he has so many previous convictions

Lets hope it is him and that he confesses so we can finally put an end to it

[arista]

Germany is saying she was murdered.
So its down to finding her body

[Samm]

Serious neglect sure for the parents blame. As for them murdering her I struggle to believe why would they go to this effort for over ten years to still push for an investigation.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Samm

Serious neglect sure for the parents blame. As for them murdering her I struggle to believe why would they go to this effort for over ten years to still push for an investigation.

Germany thinks the German Sex offender
had sex with the child
then murdered her.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They just repeatedly say that it's a normal thing to do on holiday, even though 99% of other parents are like "What???". They just say again that it's normal and anyone would do it.

We actually went to Portugal when my kids were 4 and 2... The furthest we went was lying out on the balcony of the villa at night looking at the stars when they were asleep in the next room. Granted, being in The Algarve with two small kids, we did have the Maddie cautionary tale on our minds, but I don't know any parent who would actually go out for dinner at any distance and leave their kids alone. As is frequently pointed out - so many things could happen. What if there was a fire? Etc.

Its no different to a parent in the UK leaving their kids at home and going to the pub at the end of the street. No one would try to justify that.

I’m not sure what time of the year she went missing but It’s scary to think that we were on holiday in Lagos with our little kids that summer with that guy seemingly living (and preying ) in the area .




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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

German Prosecutors
say she is presumed dead.

I still hold out hope that she’s alive as do her parents .


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Germany thinks the German Sex offender

had sex with the child

then murdered her.

German media ??


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[LeatherTrumpet]

Looks like we may be coming to a conclusion and the hideous speculation about the poor family will draw to a thankful close....

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I still hold out hope that she’s alive as do her parents .


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I guess it would depend on what happened to her if I would hold out hope she was alive. If, at the age of 4, she was sold into a paedophile sex ring, as a parent I think I would prefer to think she had not survived rather than to think she had been used and suffered in that way.

If she has survived and had been trafficked to good people who loved her and cared for her, that would be a different story.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

German media ??


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Yes

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’m not sure what time of the year she went missing but It’s scary to think that we were on holiday in Lagos with our little kids that summer with that guy seemingly living (and preying ) in the area .




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May

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I still hold out hope that she’s alive as do her parents .


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Not a hope, it was an opportunist crime during a routine burglary sadly it seems, she was unlucky that the burglar was also a paedophile

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I guess it would depend on what happened to her if I would hold out hope she was alive. If, at the age of 4, she was sold into a paedophile sex ring, as a parent I think I would prefer to think she had not survived rather than to think she had been used and suffered in that way.

If she has survived and had been trafficked to good people who loved her and cared for her, that would be a different story.

I don't know. As absolutely horrendous as it is - there are many survivors of people trafficking and they can (with a lot of help) recover and live full lives. They're never going to be the same person they would have been, but it doesn't mean they can't live a happy and fulfilling life. Obviously anyone would rather believe that she died that night than that she was taken for a period of time and STILL died later, but if they have genuine hope that she could still bo out there I understand clinging to it.

That said, I do have to add that I personally believe that the McCanns know for a fact she died there in Praia Da Luze. I'd be very, very surprised if this latest development comes to anything.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

The McCann's lawyer was talking on TV this morning about the appalling trolling the McCann's had suffered. Immediately I thought of this place and how people can seemingly say what they like.

I would LOVE to see the McCann's lawyers prosecuting the trolls. Could happen... fingers crossed.

I don't think it's trolling to point out that most parents wouldn't leave their children alone in an appartment like that, nor to say that it should be flat out illegal to do so at such a young age.

Frankly Livia if you were to tell me that you would even consider, for a second, leaving your own kids alone like they did... I'd have to assume you were lying.

[Kizzy]

The first thought was someone voicing an opinion on an Internet forum? I thought the whole idea of free speech was people can say what they like, there have been no threats just speculation and opinion.

What grounds would a lawyer have to prosecute anyone here? As TS said the thought of leaving children unattended is abhorrent for most.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I guess it would depend on what happened to her if I would hold out hope she was alive. If, at the age of 4, she was sold into a paedophile sex ring, as a parent I think I would prefer to think she had not survived rather than to think she had been used and suffered in that way.



If she has survived and had been trafficked to good people who loved her and cared for her, that would be a different story.

I’m clutching onto your final paragraph given he apparently made and took a batch of phone calls just an hour or so prior to her disappearance - (Sky News)


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes

Media are simply untrustworthy


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not a hope, it was an opportunist crime during a routine burglary sadly it seems, she was unlucky that the burglar was also a paedophile

Without hope , we are nothing ..

( Spike Milligan)


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know. As absolutely horrendous as it is - there are many survivors of people trafficking and they can (with a lot of help) recover and live full lives. They're never going to be the same person they would have been, but it doesn't mean they can't live a happy and fulfilling life. Obviously anyone would rather believe that she died that night than that she was taken for a period of time and STILL died later, but if they have genuine hope that she could still bo out there I understand clinging to it.



That said, I do have to add that I personally believe that the McCanns know for a fact she died there in Praia Da Luze. I'd be very, very surprised if this latest development comes to anything.

They say they are still clinging onto her being alive though ..


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The first thought was someone voicing an opinion on an Internet forum? I thought the whole idea of free speech was people can say what they like, there have been no threats just speculation and opinion.

What grounds would a lawyer have to prosecute anyone here? As TS said the thought of leaving children unattended is abhorrent for most.

What have I missed ?


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[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Zizu

What have I missed ?


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The McCanns have threatened to sue TIBB.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The McCanns have threatened to sue TIBB.

rubbish

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

rubbish

James and Josy are trying to negotiate a settlement that will allow them to keep the site open. The McCanns want Annie permabanned for her anti-McCann agenda, but J&J have offered them LT and I instead. Bit of a standoff at the moment.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

James and Josy are trying to negotiate a settlement that will allow them to keep the site open. The McCanns want Annie permabanned for her anti-McCann agenda, but J&J have offered them LT and I instead. Bit of a standoff at the moment.

They'll never take away my freedom!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Without hope , we are nothing ..

( Spike Milligan)


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Maybe, but I am a realist, if he wasn't a raving paedo I might have some hope, poor little mite