[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm not overly political (my politics basically end at "whatever causes less destruction of greenery and killing animals), but I wanted a hung parliament in 2019 as I didn't like either leader. Sir Kier is great, I'd go for Labour if there was another snap. BoJo is amusing enough, and from what I've heard he was a good Mayor, but that doesn't mean he's a good PM.

I've heard some accounts that the Covid can leave permanent damage, and that it can affect more organs than respiratory ones. Whether or not that's true, I agree that he didn't take the time to properly recover, and he's paying for it.

It's a gross virus if it gets a hold of you.
I believe kidneys can suffer and the circulatory system with dangerous blood clotting too.

Interesting read your first paragraph Oliver.
I hoped for a hung parliament last time too.
Although it was clear, as I canvassed that Labour was well down in the doldrums, the Brexit confusion was really hard to get over.
Your post made really good reading.

A lot of people I came across felt only the Conservatives would really deliver it.

I don't know what the situation would be had a hung parliament happened again, with this pandemic.
I think a likely national government would have had to be in place to deal with it
Which may have been better.

This pandemic is a nightmare for any government to have had to deal with.
However with this government's procrastinated reactive catching up policy all through, in my view that nightmare has only been added to further.
In my view.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

173 deaths in 24 hours and this creep cannot even express condolences to those left bereaved.
It speaks volumes.

He talks slow.

Needs to be moved out of the cabinet

[Cherie]

someone of the journos said there is a new spike in Portugal?

[Cherie]

They should bring back English kids in early August and give then the extra holiday later in the year around half term or Christmas if the virus is swirling around again

Coates was wrong again today about schools not having access to Teams and Zoom, he really is a twat

[arista]

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

He talks slow.

Needs to be moved out of the cabinet

He was dropped by Mrs May, then brought back by this PM.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Someone hold Zizu, all kids back 5 days a week in Sept.... I guess they will split the day?



NI has reduced schools to 1 meter distance from August

If it’s gonna be safe then I’d love to get back to some kind of normality .. sadly I still think that we are heading for second waves if not everywhere then in certain pockets... suggestions today that parts of London maybe over 1.1 !!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

someone of the journos said there is a new spike in Portugal?

Yet we’re in talks with them to have some kind of ‘travel corridor’ between there and here ..


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They should bring back English kids in early August and give then the extra holiday later in the year around half term or Christmas if the virus is swirling around again

Coates was wrong again today about schools not having access to Teams and Zoom, he really is a twat

Cherie ... the school staff need a break and a proper one ..

We’ve worked all through this nightmare.. even through Easter hols and bank holidays ..

I’ve just been in conversation with a parent just now about her son’s home schooling .. it’s nearly 8pm on a Friday evening.. I spend hours and hours in evenings just reading through endless staff / pupil emails and changes in guidance/ guidelines .


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Cherie ... the school staff need a break and a proper one ..

We’ve worked all through this nightmare.. even through Easter hols and bank holidays ..

I’ve just been in conversation with a parrot just now about her son’s home schooling .. it’s nearly 8pm on a Friday evening.. I spend hours and hours in evenings just reading through endless staff / pupil emails and changes in guidance/ guidelines .


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Not you talking to parrots

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not you talking to parrots

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Sorry but I really feel the government is taking things now down a too risky road here.

What about those who have been near completely shielded in their homes for months.

There's been over 500 deaths in the last 4 days, the R rate still very close to 1.
Infections said to be rising at 4000 daily.

To put more people outdoors, into pubs etc, reducing the 2m rule.

Will those shielding who are most at risk, the elderly or those with health conditions, particularly respiratory or heart ones.
Will they now be sacrificed as those in Care Homes were just weeks ago.

I'm sorry but for me, I feel even though I'm well outside the scientific or public health knowledge.
This is starting to look like way too much, too soon.

Or do they not think they've lost enough already sick or elderly yet.
That's what the cynic in me is thinking.

[bitontheslide]

The R number is not a good indicator, no matter what the various agencies say. The only figure of interest which is up to date is the number of hospital admissions. Talking to NHS workers, the covid wards are pretty near empty at the moment, so we should take advantage of that status while we can and open the country up. It's the summer, with a high UV index, it's almost impossible to transmit the virus out doors, and with a mask it helps indoors.

I will repeat again because people seem to not understand. The lockdowns purpose was to reduce the pressure on the NHS ... there is now zero pressure on the NHS from covid ... so the country has to get back to running as normally as possible as quickly as possible

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The R number is not a good indicator, no matter what the various agencies say. The only figure of interest which is up to date is the number of hospital admissions. Talking to NHS workers, the covid wards are pretty near empty at the moment, so we should take advantage of that status while we can and open the country up. It's the summer, with a high UV index, it's almost impossible to transmit the virus out doors, and with a mask it helps indoors.

I will repeat again because people seem to not understand. The lockdowns purpose was to reduce the pressure on the NHS ... there is now zero pressure on the NHS from covid ... so the country has to get back to running as normally as possible as quickly as possible

Yes, this virus is not going to disappear anytime soon, if ever.
The best we can do is keep as safe as we can whilst trying to get back to some kind of normality.
We have been informed of the risks, the amount of people flaunting the rules is ridiculous, loosening the rules might make it easier for people to stick to them.
Life as we knew it has changed, but we can’t stay in lockdown forever.
No physical hugs for me until a safe vaccine is found, nobody apart from hubby coming within 3 metres of me, practically all social life now all virtual.
I know I am one of the lucky ones, I don’t need to put myself at major risk, a lot of people don’t have that luxury, but if we all do what we can to keep our risks low then we have a chance to get the country open for business again.

[arista]

Spoiler:

Todays i paper
Very Large

[arista]

119,131 deaths USA
48,954 deaths Brazil
42,546 deaths United Kingdom
34,561 deaths Italy
29,620 deaths France
28,315 deaths Spain
20,394 deaths Mexico
12,948 deaths India
9,695 deaths Belgium
9,392 deaths Iran
8,895 deaths Germany
8,408 deaths Canada
7,992 deaths Russia
7,461 deaths Peru
6,100 deaths Netherlands
5,053 deaths Sweden

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html


Brazil is sadly jumping ahead
with the most infected today.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The R number is not a good indicator, no matter what the various agencies say. The only figure of interest which is up to date is the number of hospital admissions. Talking to NHS workers, the covid wards are pretty near empty at the moment, so we should take advantage of that status while we can and open the country up. It's the summer, with a high UV index, it's almost impossible to transmit the virus out doors, and with a mask it helps indoors.

I will repeat again because people seem to not understand. The lockdowns purpose was to reduce the pressure on the NHS ... there is now zero pressure on the NHS from covid ... so the country has to get back to running as normally as possible as quickly as possible

Well, we've been told for months now the R figure is an extremely important indicator.
However you indicate it isn't.

I'm also aware of the fact the lockdown was to help protect the NHS, however it was ALSO to stay safe and save lives.
Especially those sick and elderly more at risk of dying for certain if they got this vile cruel virus.

Well I for one, am not happy when things haven't changed that dramatically, to see the vulnerably sick and elderly sacrificed further in the name of normality.

Since the easing, although I still don't go out much, as my own Mother is with me and she's vulnerable if she gets this.

I hardly now see any masks or face coverings.
I see groups of people, then crosing roads to talk to others.

I've seen where a school has some pupils attending.
Usually a morning for some.pupils, then afternoon for the other pupils.

Then them trooping into stores, with no face coverings whatsoever.
Just wait until pubs start then with a reduced distancing too

What is your advice to those sick and elderly who've done all right and to the letter..
Are they just to be pushed out to the dangers of getting this.
Will normality be worth it to lose even more sick and elderly.
Were not enough lost in care homes.

There's a prize joke 'Care Homes' indeed.

I say again too.
This seems too much too soon.
I don't think normality is worth the risks of loss of lives of more sick and the elderly.
Not for me.
I'd never support that.
If they ease restrictions too quickly as they now seem hell-bent on doing.

[Nicky91]

here in Netherlands, they are thinking of audiences being allowed again at football matches from september

i feel ashamed how our government and rivm are underestimating this virus

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

here in Netherlands, they are thinking of audiences being allowed again at football matches from september

i feel ashamed how our government and rivm are underestimating this virus

Less there ,
spread out etc?