[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

Less there spread out etc?

perhaps some bit of audience and then spread across the stadium with spaces inbetween


in Germany, they have allowed audiences at tv shows again like talk shows, but also not in huge masses, and also talking about any precautions for corona, more informing the public, with a panel of medical experts

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well, we've been told for months now the R figure is an extremely important indicator.
However you indicate it isn't.

I'm also aware of the fact the lockdown was to help protect the NHS, however it was ALSO to stay safe and save lives.
Especially those sick and elderly more at risk of dying for certain if they got this vile cruel virus.

Well I for one, am not happy when things haven't changed that dramatically, to see the vulnerably sick and elderly sacrificed further in the name of normality.

Since the easing, although I still don't go out much, as my own Mother is with me and she's vulnerable if she gets this.

I hardly now see any masks or face coverings.
I see groups of people, then crosing roads to talk to others.

I've seen where a school has some pupils attending.
Usually a morning for some.pupils, then afternoon for the other pupils.

Then them trooping into stores, with no face coverings whatsoever.
Just wait until pubs start then with a reduced distancing too

What is your advice to those sick and elderly who've done all right and to the letter..
Are they just to be pushed out to the dangers of getting this.
Will normality be worth it to lose even more sick and elderly.
Were not enough lost in care homes.

There's a prize joke 'Care Homes' indeed.

I say again too.
This seems too much too soon.
I don't think normality is worth the risks of loss of lives of more sick and the elderly.
Not for me.
I'd never support that.
If they ease restrictions too quickly as they now seem hell-bent on doing.

The R figure is only indicative when its also used in conjunction with the number of people and population density affected

A remote island could have a high R rate with a population of 10

A town with a population of 1 million could have a low R rate with 90% of the population of the town infected

That's why simply quoting R on its on is completely meaningless

We all know what we have to do to keep safe, and it's up to individuals to take their own protection. If we don't get the economy back up and running many more will die through unemployment and a government not able to assist because they have no income coming in. That is what we are facing now, so people need to understand that

[Nicky91]

Serbia there was audience again last weekend, at a tennis event, the Adria Open

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

here in Netherlands, they are thinking of audiences being allowed again at football matches from september

i feel ashamed how our government and rivm are underestimating this virus

Interesting.

I actually think our government too are underestimating this virus too.

Apart from the time they put in the lockdown,I fear they have, and also think any future inquiry will say, they have from the start really.

It's a scandal the level of deaths the UK has and 42,000 is not the likely current real figure either.
After we had the forewarnings of Italy in February.

Can't even claim hindsight.
We saw the holes Italy fell into and we jumped on after them, rather than try to avoid those holes.

The vulnerably sick and elderly particularly being treated like cannon fodder.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The R figure is only indicative when its also used in conjunction with the number of people and population density affected

A remote island could have a high R rate with a population of 10

A town with a population of 1 million could have a low R rate with 90% of the population of the town infected

That's why simply quoting R on its on is completely meaningless

We all know what we have to do to keep safe, and it's up to individuals to take their own protection. If we don't get the economy back up and running many more will die through unemployment and a government not able to assist because they have no income coming in. That is what we are facing now, so people need to understand that

I see you choose to avoid the vulnerably sick and elderly issues.

Well they are who matters more to me.

I don't see much evidence as more is eased of people seeming to know what they need to do to keep themselves safe or others safe for that matter.

My priorities lie with lives lost to this virus and putting money before risking lives may suit some..
It doesn't me.

Anyway, you and I are never going to agree on this point.
We've said our positions.
I'm very happy standing up for those vulnerably sick and elderly.

Who iif those out after easing restrictions, then more contract this virus, then end up in contact with those 2 groups, passing it on,will be a death sentence to them.
That's not worth money or any risk.
Not in my book anyway.

[arista]

[Massive crowds were seen along the pavement
in Battersea, London,
as eager revellers stood with takeaway pints ]


Sunak MP has confirmed next week
The Government will rule on the 2mts
or 1mts
(ITV1HD Lunchtime news)

[arista]

[Tom4784]

Sacrificing the elderly and infirm is back on the agenda then. We're one of the worst countries hit, we shouldn't be easing regulations at this point.

[Jessica.]

Why is nobody wearing masks in the pictures? For level 2 it says cases and transmission are low, which means during level 3 they are not low, but people are crowding up together? Is this a joke?

[Tom4784]

They probably think that because they are outside, they don't need to wear masks which is true IF they were distancing themselves.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

They probably think that because they are outside, they don't need to wear masks which is true IF they were distancing themselves.

That's scary. Here in Portugal we have to wear masks in every public situation and when dealing with any kind of person doing their job.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

That's scary. Here in Portugal we have to wear masks in every public situation and when dealing with any kind of person doing their job.

It is scary.

I agree with the wearing of masks in any situation where we come into contact with others, particularly doing their jobs.

It would seem from the pictures, people here in the UK don't know what they should be doing to keep themselves and others safe, at all.
In many cases far from it.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is scary.

I agree with the wearing of masks in any situation where we come into contact with others, particularly doing their jobs.

It would seem from the pictures, people here in the UK don't know what they should be doing to keep themselves and others safe, at all.
In many cases far from it.

I hope it doesn't cause the cases to spike again, enough people have lost their lives.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Sacrificing the elderly and infirm is back on the agenda then. We're one of the worst countries hit, we shouldn't be easing regulations at this point.

No, we shouldn't
You are spot on.
At this point, it's still way too much of a risk.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

[Massive crowds were seen along the pavement
in Battersea, London,
as eager revellers stood with takeaway pints ]


Sunak MP has confirmed next week
The Government will rule on the 2mts
or 1mts
(ITV1HD Lunchtime news)

They should just suspend their license for 6 months as a warning to the other pubs and bars - we won’t of course as we’re too soft over here
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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

That's scary. Here in Portugal we have to wear masks in every public situation and when dealing with any kind of person doing their job.

Because you have to spoonfeed the residents of the UK, if they are not mandated to do something they wont do it, only in England is it mandated to wear facecovering on public transport...they will need to mandate public places as well because the thickos really cant think for themselves

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I hope it doesn't cause the cases to spike again, enough people have lost their lives.

That's the worry and the risk.

4 people connected to me, family and friends have lost their lives.
One a Nurse who didn't have the protection equipment.

Another a close friend, with a serious health condition who contracted it in hospital.

Then 2 elderly Aunts.
I'm not impressed with risks being taken by those in power, to lose any more valued people from my life.

It's frightening, wrong and a scandal.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Because you have to spoonfeed the residents of the UK, if they are not mandated to do something they wont do it, only in England is it mandated to wear facecovering on public transport...they will need to mandate public places as well because the thickos really cant think for themselves

On that, we agree.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Because you have to spoonfeed the residents of the UK, if they are not mandated to do something they wont do it, only in England is it mandated to wear facecovering on public transport...they will need to mandate public places as well because the thickos really cant think for themselves

Spot on Cherie.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The R figure is only indicative when its also used in conjunction with the number of people and population density affected

A remote island could have a high R rate with a population of 10

A town with a population of 1 million could have a low R rate with 90% of the population of the town infected

That's why simply quoting R on its on is completely meaningless

We all know what we have to do to keep safe, and it's up to individuals to take their own protection. If we don't get the economy back up and running many more will die through unemployment and a government not able to assist because they have no income coming in. That is what we are facing now, so people need to understand that

It is impossible to please everyone in this situation,

the schools open, its too soon

the schools close, the children are missing out

the distance is 2 meters....when will it be reduced

ban on non essential travel....when will the public be able to go on holiday

change the termtime ...teachers and unions up in arms

2 meter rule bars and restaurants do not want to open on those terms and are holding the government to ransom saying they need to reduce, why not open in a partial way to begin with? and get half your work force back?

shielded people can go for a walk....WHAT ...im not going out

the government need to tell us what to do, then they are told they can go out and they say I am not listening to that

BLM - im marching pandemic or no pandemic
Far Right.....we are protecting statues pandemic or no pandemic


I don't blame people for going back to normal, everyone is suiting themselves so I would open everything up....the 2 million still shielding need to continue to do so, its **** but that the best thing that can happen for now

[Nicky91]

i think we are 2 currently then

i mean the virus isn't gone here, but numbers are at a low compared to last 3 months for sure


only some military personnel at a army base nearby here few got infected, who are all immediately quarantined and those who weren't there at time of infections are ordered to stay home for time being, those who tested negative for the virus also are ordered to go home

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I see you choose to avoid the vulnerably sick and elderly issues.

Well they are who matters more to me.

I don't see much evidence as more is eased of people seeming to know what they need to do to keep themselves safe or others safe for that matter.

My priorities lie with lives lost to this virus and putting money before risking lives may suit some..
It doesn't me.

Anyway, you and I are never going to agree on this point.
We've said our positions.
I'm very happy standing up for those vulnerably sick and elderly.

Who iif those out after easing restrictions, then more contract this virus, then end up in contact with those 2 groups, passing it on,will be a death sentence to them.
That's not worth money or any risk.
Not in my book anyway.

Joey, i am in the elderly and vulnerable range, so I can assure you i am not ignoring it. But we have a virus that isn't going away and we cannot stop everything and disappear because if our economy is stressed any further, we wont have an NHS, we won't have social services. People are going to lose their jobs and have no safety net. That is catastrophic and it will become a reality if we don't get the economy moving.

There are no easy choices and vulnerable people should be protected, but the rest need to get out there and start the economy moving.

I have worked from home for the duration of the lockdown, I have bought goods from local business ... that's me doing my bit. Everyone else should be doing what they can to get things moving too. Things won't be the same for a while but an economy running at 90% is much better than we had during lockdown

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

They should just suspend their license for 6 months as a warning to the other pubs and bars - we won’t of course as we’re too soft over here
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It's outside of the Pub.
They are Happy to sell Plastic Glasses of Beer
and Wine for folks to drink outside on the street.

The Pub is not responsible for any that choose
to stand close together


Soon another BLM rally
in Hyde Park is going down to Parliament
Many of them will have a Mask on
but are to close together

[Toy Soldier]

Today Scotland has 2 deaths, 14 currently in ICU, 26 total new cases. Death figure has been 0 several times in the last 10 days.

The differences in policy between Scotland and England haven't even been huge, but they are there, and clearly something is resulting in a noticeable difference. Honestly I think one of the main differences is simply that the advice has been clearly stated and consistent, whereas the advice in England has simple been so confusing that I feel many people have just given up on trying to keep up with it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Today Scotland has 2 deaths, 14 currently in ICU, 26 total new cases. Death figure has been 0 several times in the last 10 days.

The differences in policy between Scotland and England haven't even been huge, but they are there, and clearly something is resulting in a noticeable difference. Honestly I think one of the main differences is simply that the advice has been clearly stated and consistent, whereas the advice in England has simple been so confusing that I feel many people have just given up on trying to keep up with it.

This is nonsense tbf...it’s only confusing because people want to do their own thing...and it’s only a few days ago St Nicky had to explain why only a third of care homes had been tested, you have a far smaller nation, same size as NZ and no major transatlantic hubs ...Scotland really haven’t done that well at all in terms of fatalities imo

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