[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

No they ain't.. a black life is a black life wether it be in the womb or out..I merely want to know the BLM movements stance on black lives within the womb.


It ain't that ridiculous to ask.

It is ridicululous. You're trying to manufacture a "gotcha" moment where one doesn't exist and it's embarrassing.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It is ridicululous. You're trying to manufacture a "gotcha" moment where one doesn't exist and it's embarrassing.

Perhaps in that void you call a head of yours it may seem like that...but as usual, you're wrong.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Perhaps in that void you call a head of yours it may seem like that...but as usual, you're wrong.

That's right parm, make it about me because you have sod all to back up your stupid statements. Good lad.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Perhaps in that void you call a head of yours it may seem like that...but as usual, you're wrong.

I rest my case.

[Oliver_W]

Basically don't try to argue against abortion unless you're that short Jewish guy who was really popular a few years ago.

[Cherie]

would be nice to have one thread where the topic is discussed rather than members, I can dream

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

would be nice to have one thread where the topic is discussed rather than members, I can dream

Oh so true.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

would be nice to have one thread where the topic is discussed rather than members, I can dream

You should really tell your friends that

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Cherie

would be nice to have one thread where the topic is discussed rather than members, I can dream

[Moniqua]

what a knob

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You should really tell your friends that

I am not responsible for anyone's views but my own Liam

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am not responsible for anyone's views but my own Liam

No, but you can’t snipe at others while the people you like do the same

[Morgan.]

The ****, why isn’t this closed yet?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No, but you can’t snipe at others while the people you like do the same

Did I quote anyone? I made a general comment, you are the one who has interpreted as your fwends being sniped at

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That rings really red flag bells. Usually such behaviour suggests abuse, I bet if she'd have had six kids by the age of 18 in the modern times her parents would get a knock at their door...

I lived quite near her up until I was about 10, she was a very angry kid. I wouldn't want to speculate, though. But you know. Nuclear family in a detached 4 bedroom on a nice street so no one was really watching.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Morgan.

The ****, why isn’t this closed yet?

because you are not admin and your "opinion" is not that of anyone but yourself

i hope that is clear

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No, but you can’t snipe at others while the people you like do the same

how on earth do you know who cherie likes?

[Jigs]

If this is an attempt to catch people out by using abortion in order to highlight some sort of manufactured hypocrisy within the BLM movement then shame on you.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Life doesn’t begin at birth. Are you saying people should be able to abort at 38weeks old when the foetus is fully developed because it’s not born yet ? That is just extremely cruel and just crazy to me.

No one aborts fetuses at 38 weeks. You can only abort for medical reasons beyond 24 weeks.

Life does begin at birth, a fetus until it's ready to be born or delivered, cannot support it's own existence outside of the womb. For pretty much the entirety of the period when someone can choose to have an abortion, the fetus is just an bunch of cells and nothing more.

Your example just doesn't happen in the real world. No one can just decide to go full term and have an abortion.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Ironically the majority of these pro-lifers are the ones now against being asked to wear a mask, because it’s their choice not to

You have no evidence for this blanket statement

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Life does begin at birth, a fetus until it's ready to be born or delivered, cannot support it's own existence outside of the womb.

Hmmm well that's not really true, a fetus can survive outside the womb from 22 weeks (just past the half way mark) and has a chance of survival without mechanical incubation from 26 weeks. A pretty good chance from 30 weeks. Full term being 38 - 42 weeks.

For pretty much the entirety of the period when someone can choose to have an abortion, the fetus is just an bunch of cells and nothing more.

This is also untrue beyond about 14 weeks, start of 2nd trimester... it's a recognisably-formed human at that point and has a "working" brain. I'm pro-choice but I don't see much point in telling pretty lies to make it more palateable... like meat eaters who are scared of knowing that their chicken nuggets used to cluck-cluck.

Not least because it means women end up getting a bit of a nasty shock when they have an abortion at 16 weeks and a fully formed (if small) baby comes out.

No need for anything but the facts .

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hmmm well that's not really true, a fetus can survive outside the womb from 22 weeks (just past the half way mark) and has a chance of survival without mechanical incubation from 26 weeks. A pretty good chance from 30 weeks. Full term being 38 - 42 weeks.



This is also untrue beyond about 14 weeks, start of 2nd trimester... it's a recognisably-formed human at that point and has a "working" brain. I'm pro-choice but I don't see much point in telling pretty lies to make it more palateable... like meat eaters who are scared of knowing that their chicken nuggets used to cluck-cluck.

Not least because it means women end up getting a bit of a nasty shock when they have an abortion at 16 weeks and a fully formed (if small) baby comes out.

No need for anything but the facts .

Correct. Which is why they won’t abort passed 24weeks.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hmmm well that's not really true, a fetus can survive outside the womb from 22 weeks (just past the half way mark) and has a chance of survival without mechanical incubation from 26 weeks. A pretty good chance from 30 weeks. Full term being 38 - 42 weeks.



This is also untrue beyond about 14 weeks, start of 2nd trimester... it's a recognisably-formed human at that point and has a "working" brain. I'm pro-choice but I don't see much point in telling pretty lies to make it more palateable... like meat eaters who are scared of knowing that their chicken nuggets used to cluck-cluck.

Not least because it means women end up getting a bit of a nasty shock when they have an abortion at 16 weeks and a fully formed (if small) baby comes out.

No need for anything but the facts .

Exactly what I was coming to say

I have a biology degree and so it can be frustrating seeing people spread misinformation to fit their view

Abortion even at 24 weeks is crazy to me knowing that the foetus could survive in the real world at that point. I am also pro choice but only to a certain point and anything past 18-20 weeks i believe to be a little cruel and should only be aborted for extreme circumstances (if you don’t want the baby give it up for adoption)

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Exactly what I was coming to say

I have a biology degree and so it can be frustrating seeing people spread misinformation to fit their view

Abortion even at 24 weeks is crazy to me knowing that the foetus could survive in the real world at that point. I am also pro choice but only to a certain point and anything past 18-20 weeks i believe to be a little cruel and should only be aborted for extreme circumstances (if you don’t want the baby give it up for adoption)

Doubtful especially considering that you made that whole point about aborting full term pregnancies.

As for the second boldened point, what if you live in America where paid materinity leave isn't guaranteed and healthcare bankrupts people? What if you simply can't commit to a full term pregnancy for health or other reasons?

Pregnancy isn't easy, expecting someone to carry a baby for nine months and go through everything with the express purpose of giving the baby away is a lot.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hmmm well that's not really true, a fetus can survive outside the womb from 22 weeks (just past the half way mark) and has a chance of survival without mechanical incubation from 26 weeks. A pretty good chance from 30 weeks. Full term being 38 - 42 weeks.



This is also untrue beyond about 14 weeks, start of 2nd trimester... it's a recognisably-formed human at that point and has a "working" brain. I'm pro-choice but I don't see much point in telling pretty lies to make it more palateable... like meat eaters who are scared of knowing that their chicken nuggets used to cluck-cluck.

Not least because it means women end up getting a bit of a nasty shock when they have an abortion at 16 weeks and a fully formed (if small) baby comes out.

No need for anything but the facts .

Here's a fact for you, the vast majority of abortions tend to be done under 10 weeks, IE, in the first trimester when the fetus is just a bunch of cells which makes most of what you said pointless hair splitting for the sake of showing off.

Also, you misunderstood what I'm saying. Premature babies as early as you're saying cannot support their own existence without medical assistance, you can't just give birth to a 22 week old fetus and it'll be fine. A full term baby isn't going to die outside of the womb, a 22 week old fetus will die quickly without medical attention. Even being born three weeks prior to a due date can cause medical issues for the child so it's wrong to make out I'm lying to fit my agenda when you misunderstood what I was saying. Also most babies born at 22 weeks do not survive, it's rarer to survive at that age then it is to die so using that as an example to call me a liar is just plain incorrect.

Life begins at birth, whether it's an early birth or not but the truth is that a baby born during the time that abortion by choice is allowed simply won't survive in most cases.