[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...so what are we then, Arista..?...

Red.


On NewsnightHD BBC2
They said Scottish can drive down to Manchester Airport
avoiding their rules.

[arista]

Yes Madame
you have enough Clothes
for Spain.

[arista]

The PM is Live on LBC

[joeysteele]

He really is annoying.
He has been hyping up this relaxation of the lockdown.

I know more based to aid the economy, which needs to be done but with maximum safety.
However, he's used terms like get the bustle back.
Presenting a more carefree attitude to the relaxations and building up to the media terms of super Saturday tripe.

The media have been terrible near all through this pandemic overall.

Now he's pleading for not to be reckless after all the hype of the last weeks.
He's like he's deranged.

He should have been the steadying, calming, responsible voice of seeing the UK totally through this pandemic.

Not flip and flop from demanding caution and then seemingly throwing caution to the wind.

[arista]

TS

No more bragging

You have One Sad death in Scotland

[Oliver_W]

BoJo's failure to call out Dominick Cummings or his father for their little excursions are pretty damning...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

TS

No more bragging

You have One Sad death in Scotland

Dumfries and Galloway are not coming out of lockdown

[James]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Dumfries and Galloway are not coming out of lockdown

Doesn't make sense based on the numbers I posted on the previous page.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by James

Doesn't make sense based on the numbers I posted on the previous page.

I was laughing at the briefing yesterday, there was a spokesman talking about the region and how clearly people had not been social distancing, he then went on to say that he didn't want to blame anyone but these people were being selfish, they are tying up valuable resources and people will know who it is

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by James

Doesn't make sense based on the numbers I posted on the previous page.

There's a spike in D&G because of overspill from the North of England. It bolsters the case for quarantining at the border, it doesn't lessen it.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Dumfries and Galloway are not coming out of lockdown

Not sure if you're brushed up on Scottish geography Cherie but that's the county that sits on the English border.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by James

Doesn't make sense based on the numbers I posted on the previous page.

You are right it doesn’t, maybe just trying to bolster her point about the border

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

TS

No more bragging

You have One Sad death in Scotland

There were 3 a couple of days ago, I've repeatedly said that the consistent number is between 0 and 3, and it's not about "bragging" ffs. It's about pii ting out that numbers are lower and wanting to keep them that way? Apparently some in England find that offensive, "if we still have it bad here then why should YOU have less?".

Just ridiculous.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You are right it doesn’t, maybe just trying to bolster her point about the border

There has been a spike in cases because people in D&G regularly cross the border, as the closest large towns and cities in the North of England are closer than Glasgow or Edinburgh. The spike is specifically because of D&G residents travelling to English cities. Sorry if that's tough to hear?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's a spike in D&G because of overspill from the North of England. It bolsters the case for quarantining at the border, it doesn't lessen it.

That would make perfect sense definitely.

[Cherie]

:v

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not sure if you're brushed up on Scottish geography Cherie but that's the county that sits on the English border.

Just looked at James figures again, how do you explain it?

Ayrshire and Arran
1,255 confirmed cases

Dumfries and Galloway
292 confirmed cases


?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That would make perfect sense definitely.

It would if the numbers stacked up but they dont

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There were 3 a couple of days ago, I've repeatedly said that the consistent number is between 0 and 3, and it's not about "bragging" ffs. It's about pii ting out that numbers are lower and wanting to keep them that way? Apparently some in England find that offensive, "if we still have it bad here then why should YOU have less?".

Just ridiculous.

i agree it's not a pissing contest, but ... loook at the graph below for London which has a much higher population than Scotland and a much higher population density ... the figures are consistantly downward ... that is just as great a result as Scotland

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not sure if you're brushed up on Scottish geography Cherie but that's the county that sits on the English border.

You are right I had no idea, but its very suspect now I do know

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i agree it's not a pissing contest, but ... loook at the graph below for London which has a much higher population than Scotland and a much higher population density ... the figures are consistantly downward ... that is just as great a result as Scotland

That's London's chart?

That's an impressive turnaround.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

:v

Just looked at James figures again, how do you explain it?

Ayrshire and Arran
1,255 confirmed cases

Dumfries and Galloway
292 confirmed cases


?

Those figures are totals not current active cases? No one has disputed that cases were just as active in Scotland as England at the peak... They correlated almost exactly with English figures, accounting for population numbers (e.g. Scotland was at about 100 deaths/day when England was at 1000 deaths/day, with a 10x population difference). Ayrshire & Arran is the 3rd most densely populated region of the country, after Greater Glasgow, and Lothian (Edinburgh).

Number have dropped significantly more and faster than the North of England, to very low levels, and now the only (small) spike is due to overspill from Northern English cities.

I'm baffled at how, or why, anyone would be desperate to deny this other than for partisan political reasons (e.g. James having a significant history of distrusting the SNP and being heavily pro union.)

I'm aware that there are also regions of England that are in a similar situation when it comes to the numbers having been brought down to very low levels successfully. If they had the ability to close borders, I'd suggest it would be a very sensible move for them, too.

They shouldn't deny Scotland the choice of doing so just because they can't. "Well if we can't then you can't! Hmph!".

If it's the sensible choice in terms of keeping infection rates down then it should be done. Simple as that.

[arista]

Johnson PM
is Live 5PM
With the Airport briefing and other Stuff

Downing St.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Those figures are totals not current active cases? No one has disputed that cases were just as active in Scotland as England at the peak... They correlated almost exactly with English figures, accounting for population numbers (e.g. Scotland was at about 100 deaths/day when England was at 1000 deaths/day, with a 10x population difference). Ayrshire & Arran is the 3rd most densely populated region of the country, after Greater Glasgow, and Lothian (Edinburgh).

Number have dropped significantly more and faster than the North of England, to very low levels, and now the only (small) spike is due to overspill from Northern English cities.

I'm baffled at how, or why, anyone would be desperate to deny this other than for partisan political reasons (e.g. James having a significant history of distrusting the SNP and being heavily pro union.)

I'm aware that there are also regions of England that are in a similar situation when it comes to the numbers having been brought down to very low levels successfully. If they had the ability to close borders, I'd suggest it would be a very sensible move for them, too.

They shouldn't deny Scotland the choice of doing so just because they can't. "Well if we can't then you can't! Hmph!".

If it's the sensible choice in terms of keeping infection rates down then it should be done. Simple as that.

I have no problem with you guys closing borders, not sure how it would work though, people cross the border to go to work, then you have all the Scottish people who reside in England but have family in Scotland, shut it to tourists maybe? But then don’t pop up at PMQS in a months time looking for a tourism bailout

[arista]

Any Is Scotland
simply drive or get a lift to Manchester Airport

[arista]

The 60 nations you can travel to

[Note : Greece won't be on the list in the
first place because Greece have said
that on July 15 that's their next review
of their own systems.
'Reciprocity can't come before July 15
for Greece and that is a matter
for Greece themselves.']

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