[Smithy]

Oh yeah I didn’t get the need to kill the dogs

[Smithy]

I know that sounds stupid bc he killed his whole family but he did that because he was ashamed and didn’t want them to live poor, but like, give the dogs away??

[rusticgal]

We started watching last night. I can’t make out how that guy fell through the roof at that point...it was too far from the building unless there was a strong wind..

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...also, why kill the two dogs as well...he could have taken them to a homing centre or something ...it’s like the whole plot became some kind of ritual killing that he took great satisfaction out of the planning and executing...

Lol...if someone’s going to do what he did I don’t suppose he would give to ****s about the dogs.

[Braden]

I watched episode one last night and it bothers me that Ray’s family have no closure over the situation — it’s the stuff of nightmares, really.

I go back and forth as to whether he was murdered or if it was suicide. It could’ve been an accidental death but the injuries don’t make sense if it were. I’ve read that he could’ve gone through a psychotic episode and he ended up killing himself, but like others have said — his friend not co-operating is suspicious.

[Niamh.]

Braden and Rusticgal, my theory on it is :

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he was murdered, firstly the call he got that made him leave his house (never to be seen alive again) came from inside his work office which was next door to the building where he was found dead. If he got a call from work that made him leave then logically he was rushing to work because someone asked him to meet them there. I think he must have had some information of maybe dodgy dealings going on there and someone (maybe his friend Porter) wasn't happy and wanted to shut him up (odd that Porter got lawyers involved, refused to help the Police involving his bloody best friend's possible murder and got a gagging order on his employees) I think maybe he was killed (or seriously injured and incapacitated) by a blow to the head (he had skull fractures in the autopsy) and maybe whoever did it dragged him to that roof (which might have caused those unusual injuries to his tibia) and pushed him threw that hole in the roof hoping that it would look like he committed suicide

PS. Braden he had absolutely no history of mental health issues though so a psychotic episode would be a reach I think

[Ammi]

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...yeah, all of that, Niamh....plus the alarm going off in his house for two nights and him appearing very frightened...I definitely think Porter was involved in his murder...

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Braden and Rusticgal, my theory on it is :

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he was murdered, firstly the call he got that made him leave his house (never to be seen alive again) came from inside his work office which was next door to the building where he was found dead. If he got a call from work that made him leave then logically he was rushing to work because someone asked him to meet them there. I think he must have had some information of maybe dodgy dealings going on there and someone (maybe his friend Porter) wasn't happy and wanted to shut him up (odd that Porter got lawyers involved, refused to help the Police involving his bloody best friend's possible murder and got a gagging order on his employees) I think maybe he was killed (or seriously injured and incapacitated) by a blow to the head (he had skull fractures in the autopsy) and maybe whoever did it dragged him to that roof (which might have caused those unusual injuries to his tibia) and pushed him threw that hole in the roof hoping that it would look like he committed suicide

PS. Braden he had absolutely no history of mental health issues though so a psychotic episode would be a reach I think

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Your theory definitely makes sense. Though, I will say that having no history of mental health issues doesn't necessarily mean that an individual still can't go through a psychotic break. We're still living in times where mental health is a taboo topic, and back in 2006 it was probably worse for a grown man to be open about something like that, so could be possible for him to go through it without a history of mental health issues. I do think it's a bit of reach, however.

I also read a theory online about Ray and Porter having a relationship. The thought crossed my mind but I disregarded it quickly — no concrete evidence to suggest it. However, it is weird that Ray moved to Baltimore to be with Porter, even if it was for work. I think it's viable he would rush to see him after a phone call, especially when his wife wasn't in Baltimore. Also, he could've gagged his employees because they knew more about their relationship. Not sure why he'd want to kill him, though?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Braden

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Your theory definitely makes sense. Though, I will say that having no history of mental health issues doesn't necessarily mean that an individual still can't go through a psychotic break. We're still living in times where mental health is a taboo topic, and back in 2006 it was probably worse for a grown man to be open about something like that, so could be possible for him to go through it without a history of mental health issues. I do think it's a bit of reach, however.

I also read a theory online about Ray and Porter having a relationship. The thought crossed my mind but I disregarded it quickly — no concrete evidence to suggest it. However, it is weird that Ray moved to Baltimore to be with Porter, even if it was for work. I think it's viable he would rush to see him after a phone call, especially when his wife wasn't in Baltimore. Also, he could've gagged his employees because they knew more about their relationship. Not sure why he'd want to kill him, though?

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Yeah I mean obviously it's not impossible that he could have had a breakdown or episode but because of the other factors in the lead up coupled with his wife or anyone else in his life not noticing anything to suggest it, it just seems unlikely to me

That's an interesting theory about him and Porter but why kill him or be trying to scare him with the alarm etc. Surely if he was being blackmailed it wouldn't involve scare tactics like that hhhmmmm, interesting one though

[Braden]

I've just watched episode two.

I'm not sure if Pistol's former stepfather did it, but holy **** the guy is a piece of work. I knew there was something dodgy about him the minute he came on screen. The bit with Patrice's ashes at the end was eerie, and I can't believe he locked Pistol out of his own home the day after his Mum died.

[Smithy]

Can’t believe someone called their child Pistol either tbqh

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Can’t believe someone called their child Pistol either tbqh

I kept noticing the hole in his t-shirt throughout his interview.

Bless him, he seemed like a nice guy.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Braden

I've just watched episode two.

I'm not sure if Pistol's former stepfather did it, but holy **** the guy is a piece of work. I knew there was something dodgy about him the minute he came on screen. The bit with Patrice's ashes at the end was eerie, and I can't believe he locked Pistol out of his own home the day after his Mum died.

Not even the day after, that very same day...which actually is quite odd if he didn't know what happened to her. Your first thought if she was missing a few hours surely wouldn't be that she's never coming back so I'll kick her son out of our home?

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not even the day after, that very same day...which actually is quite odd if he didn't know what happened to her. Your first thought if she was missing a few hours surely wouldn't be that she's never coming back so I'll kick her son out of our home?

Oh my god, that's so bizarre.

I'm leaning towards that one being a hitjob...I'm scared to move onto episode three after reading a few of the comments in here, lmao.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Braden

Oh my god, that's so bizarre.

I'm leaning towards that one being a hitjob...I'm scared to move onto episode three after reading a few of the comments in here, lmao.

Yeah I think so too, I reckon she told him she was leaving him and he had her killed, he was very careful to have time stamped alibis for himself. The possessiveness over her ashes was creepy as **** and also a bit sinister that no one else could "have her" only him

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah I think so too, I reckon she told him she was leaving him and he had her killed, he was very careful to have time stamped alibis for himself. The possessiveness over her ashes was creepy as **** and also a bit sinister that no one else could "have her" only him

I feel sorry for Pistol and his family. Sometimes it's easy, especially for families, to conclude that it was the husband - especially if they don't like them, but that guy is a wrong-un.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Braden

I feel sorry for Pistol and his family. Sometimes it's easy, especially for families, to conclude that it was the husband - especially if they don't like them, but that guy is a wrong-un.

Yeah I felt bad for him too, it seemed like himself and his mom were so close, he still seemed a bit lost without her. At least his dad was around though, god knows what would have happened to him if he wasn't

[Ammi]

...that he had the undertakers lay out her bones to create her skeleton so that he could ‘spend time with her’ was so creepy...and the way he talked about her ashes, it felt as though he sat them at the dinner table each night or something to be with...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...that he had the undertakers lay out her bones to create her skeleton so that he could ‘spend time with her’ was so creepy...and the way he talked about her ashes, it felt as though he sat them at the dinner table each night or something to be with...

Oh I know, and he walked around with her skull...creepy as ****. And never allowing her son see the ashes or atleast sharing them, complete **** of a man even if he didn't kill her

[Ammi]

...it feels as though he might have a shrine to her and ‘talk to her each day’...and as well as her ashes being there, there would be her wedding ring...which would be the proof surely that he killed her../...he must have kept that, the way he was about her, he would have never disposed of it..?... a ‘stranger’, one of those other people that were suspects...?...they wouldn’t take a wedding ring, why would they...only a husband would, surely...a possessive husband that we know he was...

[Niamh.]

And also when he was talking about the Police wanting to question him, his reaction to that was also a bit off I thought, talking about having read a lot of crime stuff and that he knows the husband is always a suspect. He seemed almost cocky about it, like he knew he had that covered with his alibis

[Ammi]

...having that alibi for him buying fuel and having the receipt for it was just too convenient, that’s all he needed...but it wasn’t something like CCTV evidence of him buying the fuel so do we even know that was him or whether he had someone else help create his alibi and he actually killed her himself...

[Niamh.]

I reckon a hitman because of the two witnesses seeing Patrice outside the shop with the person in the blue car and the weird angle her car was parked, like maybe the y lured out by asking her to get give the car a jump

[Amy Jade]

Guys check out criminally listed on youtube, he covers basically the same subject matter.

[Niamh.]

The same crime or just a similar type show Amy?