[Ammi]

...paedophilia is more a mental disorder...it’s not in any way a ‘natural sexual orientation’...and yeah, I do think that conversations need to be had with non offenders...but they would need to be had with qualified professionals who are very experienced with the specific disorder...and not had on any social media sites...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...paedophilia is more a mental disorder...it’s not in any way a ‘natural sexual orientation’...and yeah, I do think that conversations need to be had with non offenders...but they would need to be had with qualified professionals who are very experienced with the specific disorder...and not had on any social media sites...

And clearly that ad (or whatever it was) that Josy posted looked like it was trying to normalize paedophilia and have people accept it

[arista]

Originally Posted by Josy

Click the attachment and post your opinion on this?

Fb have been removing posts and images about Mainstream media turning a blind eye to pedophiles yet they say things like this image dont need to be removed.

I find it absolutely horrific and this claim that it's a natural sexual orientation needs stopped ASAP, it's a pathetic attempt to desensitise the public to that behaviour in order to normalise pedophilia.

Theres is nothing normal about it, an adult attracted to another adult is natural, an adult attracted to a child is a ****ing abomination.

Attachment 5009

Josy how do we know
this is not a remix photo - post?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's why I said it was it was a difficult conversation to have that we weren't ready for. A lot of the points you raised there were points that were formerly charged against gay people.

I think the main issue is that people who are pro-legalisation will deliberately try, hard, to conflate it with other gender and sexuality issues in an attempt to be able to introduce a "gotcha!"-style logical argument for why it should be OK. Thankfully, I've never heard an argument for children in fact being capable of consent that doesn't fall apart completely under scrutiny from a developmental psychology perspective and it's a null argument. That's why it doesn't need conflating with debates surrounding adult sexuality at all; the only pertinent issue is consent.

Sexuality isn't a simple thing, and we know that people are attracted to lots of things that are weird/deviant to 99.9% of us. I think it's actually too simplistic to say that it isn't a genuine sexuality. Also, the point I made was about people living with this, and yet unable to get help because merely admitting these feelings exist could get them in trouble.

Like I said I don't think that issue is or ever will be solvable, legislation around it doesn't matter, people's personal revulsion and wariness of anyone admitting to paedophilic tendencies will mean that they are socially rejected. There's no way around it. What there should be is a robust, completely anonymous and non-judgemental mental health service where people who have NOT committed an offense can seek help if they think they need it without risk of wider exposure. Unfortunately, I doubt those are the people who pose the greatest risk.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And clearly that ad (or whatever it was) that Josy posted looked like it was trying to normalize paedophilia and have people accept it

..for sure, I think it’s a very dangerous image to say is ‘acceptable’ ...but then as I said, so much is allowed as we saw with Don’t **** with Cats...it’s really quite staggering...I don’t personally think it’s that we’re not ready for a conversation as much as we shouldn’t be having that conversation that involves such a mental disorder that has often been acted in and abused children...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Paedophilia is not a sexuality, it's a fetish and one that is rooted in the abuse of children. It's like saying that beastiality and necrophillia are sexualities, they are not.

It really bothers me how peados are trying to co-opt the LGBT message to encourage acceptance of their abuses, I've read a lot of stories over the years of peadophiles trying to spread their messages at pride parades and events and **** and it just makes me want to vomit. Predators trying to normalise their behaviour by comparing it to same-sex relationships between consenting adults.

Again for the back seats, Peadophillia is not a sexuality.

I agree however most fetishes are benign and perfectly acceptable with other consenting adults so I don't think even calling it a fetish is helpful. Most fetishes pose no risk of harm.

It also opens up an absolutely massive can of worms in the trans debate because (duck and cover) - there is true trans rights stuff that concerns actual transexuals and gender identity, and then there is a side of trans that is heavily sexualised and a clear fetish. That's a topic that is absolutely RED hot, of course.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree however most fetishes are benign and perfectly acceptable with other consenting adults so I don't think even calling it a fetish is helpful. Most fetishes pose no risk of harm.

It also opens up an absolutely massive can of worms in the trans debate because (duck and cover) - there is true trans rights stuff that concerns actual transexuals and gender identity, and then there is a side of trans that is heavily sexualised and a clear fetish. That's a topic that is absolutely RED hot, of course.

Fetish was the only word I could think of to describe it. I don't think it's particularly a bad thing to describe it as a fetish since not all fetishes are benign. There's a lot of dark fetishes out there that simply are not acceptable. If there's a better word for it then I'd gladly call it that.

[parmnion]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...-a6965956.html


This.

[Captain.Remy]

As problematic as their issues with removing racism/homophobia/sexism content.

[GoldHeart]

Fetish is a terrible way to describe it , it's a sick perversion more like ! .

Despite the many weird fetishes out there it's still consenting adults or meant to be ,Whereas paedophilia IS NOT ! .

Regarding the darker disturbing "fetishes" , surely those aren't legal anyway .

[Jack_]

The word you’re looking for is paraphilia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paraphilias

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...-a6965956.html


This.

So you agree with the Facebook group that it’s an orientation?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Paedophilia is not a sexuality, it's a fetish and one that is rooted in the abuse of children. It's like saying that beastiality and necrophillia are sexualities, they are not.

It really bothers me how peados are trying to co-opt the LGBT message to encourage acceptance of their abuses, I've read a lot of stories over the years of peadophiles trying to spread their messages at pride parades and events and **** and it just makes me want to vomit. Predators trying to normalise their behaviour by comparing it to same-sex relationships between consenting adults.

Again for the back seats, Peadophillia is not a sexuality.

Absolutely. Molesters should just be put down, in my opinion.

I hate when paedos try to attach themselves to LGBT movements. Any gays who even consider sharing a molecule of an olive branch when it comes to that need to have a word with themselves.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Paedophilia is not a sexuality, it's a fetish and one that is rooted in the abuse of children. It's like saying that beastiality and necrophillia are sexualities, they are not.

It really bothers me how peados are trying to co-opt the LGBT message to encourage acceptance of their abuses, I've read a lot of stories over the years of peadophiles trying to spread their messages at pride parades and events and **** and it just makes me want to vomit. Predators trying to normalise their behaviour by comparing it to same-sex relationships between consenting adults.

Again for the back seats, Peadophillia is not a sexuality.

Agreed!

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Fetish was the only word I could think of to describe it. I don't think it's particularly a bad thing to describe it as a fetish since not all fetishes are benign. There's a lot of dark fetishes out there that simply are not acceptable. If there's a better word for it then I'd gladly call it that.

Well again the only real issue is consent and legality, people argue when it comes to things like consensual snuff films... ... but it's pretty well established legally that no one can consent to being killed so even that's covered.

I've seen some pretty dark stuff where it's really beyond comprehension but... it's consenting adults involved and they're only causing harm to themselves so... each to their own I guess.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Smithy

So you agree with the Facebook group that it’s an orientation?

I agree with the criminal psychologist.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I agree with the criminal psychologist.

So you agree that it’s an orientation then

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

So you agree that it’s an orientation then

Yes...but not in all cases.

[Jessica.]

I think those people are very ill and should be in some kind of institution to protect themselves and others from harm. People trying to normalise it are the most disgusting of all.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes...but not in all cases.

So what cases is it and what cases isn’t it?

[parmnion]

The sadists aren't as it's not the child they are drawn to, it's the desire to inflict pain and suffering that turns them on.

But in general I believe a paedo is drawn and attracted to children, just the same way men are to women, women to men etc etc.

Dont you think that's true?

[thesheriff443]

Just going to say, respect each other’s opinions in this thread.

This is a volatile subject, don’t want this turning into a witch hunt.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The sadists aren't as it's not the child they are drawn to, it's the desire to inflict pain and suffering that turns them on.

But in general I believe a paedo is drawn and attracted to children, just the same way men are to women, women to men etc etc.

Dont you think that's true?

I think it's extremely rare for an element of it being the power dynamic (rather, the powerlessness) of the child so no, it's not like adult attraction, though it might feel like it to the person involved.

There are very few cases of child molestation where the perpetrator isn't a victim of past abuse or other traumatic incidences of powerlessness themselves. The involvement of trauma makes it very likely that it's a symptom of mental illness first and foremost.

[Rob!]

I feel like reports to Facebook must be automated rather than looked at by an actual person. Surely something in the photo doesn’t tick any boxes for removal in the (clearly crap) system? I can’t believe a paid human looked at that and thought “nah, you know what, that’s cool.”

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I feel like reports to Facebook must be automated rather than looked at by an actual person. Surely something in the photo doesn’t tick any boxes for removal in the (clearly crap) system? I can’t believe a paid human looked at that and thought “nah, you know what, that’s cool.”

Yeah, you would hope that was the case anyway