[arista]

[joeysteele]

Actually I'm not going to hold back here.
That's a strong headline.

Care home residents were in effect sacrificed before.
Despite his claim the elderly had to be protected.

This with his removal of shielding protection taken away generally too, from those who STILL want it.
It is a dangerous time again for the elderly.
In and out of Care homes.

It's all very well others in the Country saying, if the elderly still want to shield, they can do it voluntarily.
That voluntary will to doesn't carry with with officialdom though.

Unlike when the government instruct shielding to be in place.
Also removing the aid packages to those elderly who need it.

Sorry, the awful part for me, is I can only think they haven't lost enough of sick and elderly yet to satisfy.

They never even express the slightest condolences now, even still with hundreds of rising deaths weekly and hundreds over the last 5 days too.
Still 2 days of deaths to be revealed too for the last week.

I'm like a broken record I know.
I make no apologies for that either.

However I think it a disgrace, games are being played in risking the lives of the elderly.
Even if they get it but don't lose their lives after the trauma of just having the illness badly.
They will be so weakened that their quality of life is reduced, with possibly permanent damage to other organs.

Voices like mine, and there's those who'd love me shut up.
Citing lower infection rates and hospitals not overrun now.
While avoiding to even express sadness at hundreds still dying weekly.

Let's hope, these elderly, now possibly being forced to venture out, even if they don't want to.
Don't end up passing a pub with a fair number coming out as I saw yesterday.
With no masks and one coughing his insides out almost.
I was able to dash across the road.
Someone elderly cannot do that.

I hope Johnson and this government do have a plan to protect Care home residents too this time.
They said they had before.
However they didn't and failed the residents bigtime and scandalously fatally.

I'm not filled with confidence at all however, when they're taking away official protection of the elderly with shielding still generally.

[bitontheslide]

as much as I understand your concerns Joey, you cannot condemn a section of society to never meet with other people again in their lifetimes. They must be afforded the opportunity to make their own decisions in a free society. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't continue to be looked after, it simply means that those that want to go out in the world and resume a life that they wish to, can. It's called a free society, and I would not give that right up without a fight.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

as much as I understand your concerns Joey, you cannot condemn a section of society to never meet with other people again in their lifetimes. They must be afforded the opportunity to make their own decisions in a free society. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't continue to be looked after, it simply means that those that want to go out in the world and resume a life that they wish to, can. It's called a free society, and I would not give that right up without a fight.

If public places were filled with land mines would you still be saying shove everyone out.
Elderly,sick or anyone else.

Because that's what this virus amounts, something you cannot see and like a Russian roulette of interaction.
You never can be sure when you may accidentally come across anyone with this and end up it.

Anyway, you choose to ignore the point in my post where I stated, as to those who STILL wanted the official instruction of shielding.
Who now are not protected because the government has stopped shielding and the aid to those who requested and needed it too.

There's plenty evidence of those who've broken the last shielding period.
Willing to risk themselves and others health and lives.
They are the people you appear to possibly champion.

However by the same token, there are those, many interviewed on the TV yesterday..
Really fearful and feeling abandoned now with the shielding aid stopped.
Who cannot really now shield, because the ' official' shielding instruction is stopped by this reckless government.

So their voluntary shielding is now NOT officially recognised.

However, let's just ignore their worries and fears.
Have them all out and about to face whatever then hits them.
No matter the dangers.

No,not for me.
I'll champion those now really worried, even those now being forced back to work who have serious health conditions too.
Because they are no longer told to or allowed to officially shield.

Just please the ones who want out and are willing to risk getting this hateful virus.
To blazes with the rest who are as worried now as they were at the start of the lockdown.
As if they don't matter.

[bitontheslide]

i'm not saying shove everyone out to danger joey, i'm saying don't imprison them against their will. Big difference

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i'm not saying shove everyone out to danger joey, i'm saying don't imprison them against their will. Big difference

So.
My objection to this government and this PM is why have they stopped the shielding protective element and aid across the board.

Why not leave it in place for those who still wanted to do so from their own needs and fears.

You'd have thought since he's been through the trauma of having it.
He'd have been determined, out of even the tiniest of compassion, no one was put into a position where they had to possibly exposé themselves to the dangers of it.

He IS forcing people out.
Those who got the aid in the first place BECAUSE of the shielding, now likely have to, if they've no one else to help.
Due to him removing the aid packaging to the sick and elderly..
He is also FORCING those with health issues who shielded before, to now go back to work, OR get no income!!.

Am I going mad here or how can people not see that for those who are now virtually abandoned by this government, the elderly again in the main.
That it's wrong to remove the protective shielding for those who wish to still have that OFFICIAL shielding protection.
For crying out loud

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/0...re-not-traced/

Amsterdam closes three cafes, but 60 of covid-19 sources are not traced

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/0...-in-the-hague/

rose to an 11 week high, amount of new cases yesterday was 431


and more anti covid measures demonstrations/protest follow here

[Zizu]

Up here in Gtr Manchester where the new restrictions just kicked in .. yet police still had to stop another RAVE last night in Salford ..

Even in our somewhat quieter area last night there were loads of police sirens which is unusual and even a police helicopter circling round for ages .





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[arista]

[Scotland Coronavirus: Covid cluster linked
to Aberdeen bar after 13 new cases.
NHS Grampian said the cases were associated with
The Hawthorn Bar in Holburn Street in the city centre.
The pub said the outbreak was linked
to customers who visited on 26 July.
All those who tested positive are showing
only mild symptoms, though the health board
said there may be further cases linked to the cluster.

They said physical distancing measures were
in place at the bar and contact tracing was being
carried out in line with the Scottish government's Test
and Protect scheme.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53627801

[arista]

Nickys nation.


[While 120 countries in the world ordered citizens
to wear masks in public places to prevent the
spread of Covid-19, the Dutch are doing things
differently. Pictured, people enjoying a drink in Amsterdam]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ings-work.html

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

[Scotland Coronavirus: Covid cluster linked
to Aberdeen bar after 13 new cases.
NHS Grampian said the cases were associated with
The Hawthorn Bar in Holburn Street in the city centre.
The pub said the outbreak was linked
to customers who visited on 26 July.
All those who tested positive are showing
only mild symptoms, though the health board
said there may be further cases linked to the cluster.

They said physical distancing measures were
in place at the bar and contact tracing was being
carried out in line with the Scottish government's Test
and Protect scheme.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53627801

That's very judgemental Arista, those people only wanted to enjoy a night out and that's the most important thing. I heard there was a fantastic quiz on that evening and it was vital for people to attend. There's another one next week, but they're shutting the local minor injuries unit and pushing back the recommencement of schools to make sure there's enough NHS capacity and the local can stay open. Otherwise the fabric of local community might unravel entirely. It's a steep cost but what choice is there really?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

Nickys nation.


[While 120 countries in the world ordered citizens
to wear masks in public places to prevent the
spread of Covid-19, the Dutch are doing things
differently. Pictured, people enjoying a drink in Amsterdam]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ings-work.html

indeed, more because they are afraid of getting more protests, if they force people to wear face masks

we know wearing masks is the right thing to do, but if you ain't got balls to get those rules through to the people, bc of the anti-maskers

well then we're doomed

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

indeed, more because they are afraid of getting more protests, if they force people to wear face masks

we know wearing masks is the right thing to do, but if you ain't got balls to get those rules through to the people, bc of the anti-maskers

well then we're doomed

Yes Strong in your great nation.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Strong in your great nation.

certain people care about freedom rights too much that is why they aren't wearing face masks

ironically even with a face mask people would still have 98% of their freedom to do whatever they want

so their protesting is just utter nonsense

[bitontheslide]

what governments are finding out across the world is that people do not accept their restrictions and it's only going to become more common. Democracies and government edicts do not go together

[arista]

[Brighton :during the fight, both women appeared to grab
hold of each other's hair as they tumbled to the floor]


[Others, including a security guard,
rushed to break up the fight which took place
today near Brighton seafront]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vid-rules.html

[bitontheslide]

Cherie and Kaz fighting over the lambrusco?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

[Brighton :during the fight, both women appeared to grab
hold of each other's hair as they tumbled to the floor]


[Others, including a security guard,
rushed to break up the fight which took place
today near Brighton seafront]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vid-rules.html

The person with the black shoes is also holding a wig

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The person with the black shoes is also holding a wig

Yes a big wig

[arista]

Today 8 died

UK Total of Covid-19 Deaths :46,201


Additional data:
[Daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases
744

Number of additional cases on Sunday 2 August 2020]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

[Coronavirus Australia :
Melbourne brings in tighter restrictions as state
of disaster is declared
The measures come after 671 new cases were
detected in the state of Victoria since Saturday,
including seven deaths.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...lared-12040806

They are in Winter Down Under
some are saying that could be the UK, soon.

[bitontheslide]

[Ammi]

Two men arrested after face mask brawl on Ibiza flight...


A fight broke out on board a KLM flight to Ibiza after two passengers refused to wear face masks.

Video footage appeared to show British holidaymakers were involved in the brawl after the Boeing 737 took off from Amsterdam on Friday.

KLM said both men were restrained with the help of other passengers and were later arrested by Spanish police on arrival in Ibiza.

"Two unruly passengers refused to wear their face masks, and they were bothering their fellow passengers physically and verbally,” a spokesperson for the airline said.

"The pilot informed the local authorities and upon arrival, both passengers were arrested. The flight safety was not compromised during the flight."

The Instagram account which first posted the video on Sunday morning claimed one of the passengers involved was English and had been drinking vodka.

"Panic and violent brawl!," wrote @michighclub. "Unruly English passenger on board KLM flight to Ibiza, he had been drinking Gregus vodka.

"They refused to wear facemasks. 2 arrests were made."

Passengers were heard to shout: "Stop now, there are kids over here!"

Several other people in the video also appeared not to be wearing face coverings.

Masks are mandatory on KLM flights and at airports in the Netherlands as part of the country's coronavirus restrictions.

KLM said passengers were checked for masks on boarding and said staff also issued reminders during the flight.

[Vanessa]

You don't have to wear a mask outside.
Only in closed spaces, where social distancing is impossible.
I carry them with me and wear them when I have to.
I'll need to being my small fan with me, it's boiling in the tube

[starry]

The main thing is whether hospitalisations and then deaths start increasing again.

Those who don't bother to wear masks inside shops etc, or go to pubs and gyms I don't really understand. Some people just don't care less but you get them in every country, unless they are made ill it doesn't matter to them. But more younger people are getting ill with the latest infections in the US and France, so we'll see if that changes the mind of some.

It's pretty clear that it spreads outdoors less. Indoors there needs to be windows open to at least get some ventilation. It is possible to both eat and drunk outside at some places and obviously to exercise outside.