[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's a very English lower middle class opinion. Nothing was ever changed in recent modern history by writing a stern letter or handing in a petition.

Even in the burbs if you want to be listened to and taken seriously you have to galvanise and organise.

This is what they are doing, if the net twitchers are scared by the sight of these protests then they need educating not placating.

Your ' go with the flow' mindset is not working. There's a reason idealism fades with age... that is because people like you stop speaking up for others and concentrate on work, bills and raising the next generation of plebs. (not calling your brats plebs btw) you are so stressed, tired and busy you don't have the time or energy to care about anyone outside your inner circle.

Meanwhile those who are not being treated equal go on not being treated equal. Whether you still care or not.

To claim that nothing has changed in recent history (unless you somehow think "recent" means 10 years and not 50) is just verifiably not true, and the things that have changed the most have changed because of mainstream acceptance and support. Now... I don't particularly LIKE that being the case. Having to convince the bulk public of something to get change, when the bulk public is a heaving sack of idiots, is extremely frustrating.

Like I said though it's not really an argument that needs to be had round in circles, it's theory-based and if you're right then the current gradual slide towards bolstered righteous indignation will result in meaningful change. Give me a nudge when that happens.

[The Slim Reaper]

What bots see's

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[Brother Leon]

A little bit of Black Pride and Black Military cosplay and all of sudden certain folks want to be “scared” and “worried”. There wasn’t all this concern for division amongst the public when Immigrants were being hounded to get out the country or when Muslims were being abused for the extremist attacks. Give it a rest.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

A little bit of Black Pride and Black Military cosplay and all of sudden certain folks want to be “scared” and “worried”. There wasn’t all this concern for division amongst the public when Immigrants were being hounded to get out the country or when Muslims were being abused for the extremist attacks. Give it a rest.

But you are making examples up to suit your extreme narrative

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

white people have nothing to complain about with all their privilege

I think it's pretty important you know, in the UK, white privilege doesn't exist. The rich and upper middle classes have privilege for sure (most being white admittedly). But for regular working and lower class people, white privilege is a myth.

It's a term more about social class, rather than race.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But you are making examples up to suit your extreme narrative

Have I been living in a completely different country the last few years?

Brexit,Boris and Grown of The Far Right never happened?

I wonder if you feel people should be scared when Away football fans are marching to a stadium singing and swearing?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Not the growth of the fictitious far right..

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

I think it's pretty important you know, in the UK, white privilege doesn't exist. The rich and upper middle classes have privilege for sure (most being white admittedly). But for regular working and lower class people, white privilege is a myth.

It's a term more about social class, rather than race.

I disagree. Racially charged police brutality exists in this country, a google search will give you plenty of examples and non-white people in shops are more likely to be watched for shoplifting than white people are.

To say that white privilege doesn't exist when you're white is quite funny.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

I think it's pretty important you know, in the UK, white privilege doesn't exist. The rich and upper middle classes have privilege for sure (most being white admittedly). But for regular working and lower class people, white privilege is a myth.

It's a term more about social class, rather than race.

Says the white guy.

[Toy Soldier]

White privilege is very real, as is male privilege. Class privilege also; you'll automatically do better if you're well-spoken. Not "posh sounding" like Jacko Preece Nogg necessarily, but well enunciated middle class. Racial privilege to an extent plays into class privilege but that doesn't stop it being racial privilege: some people make a lot of class assumptions based on race. So that's still white privilege .

It doesn't necessarily mean that all well spoken white blokes are doing great in life... But it does result in near-universal "automatic positive regard" (where it matters) and that makes an absolutely HUGE difference, whether you realise it or not. It took me until my 30's to recognise it but once you see it, it's unmistakable.

I'm not even going to pretend I don't use those advantages, but that doesn't mean I'm happy that they exist. It's bull****. Very real bull****.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Life isn't fair

Who would have thunk it?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Life isn't fair

Who would have thunk it?

Goes beyond "life isn't fair" and more into it being purposely made even harder than it should be because you have a certain colour skin/accent/genitals. And, no, that's not right.

"Life is hard" is not a justifiable reason to be kicking down those not treated as equal to everyone else.

But, you know that.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I disagree. Racially charged police brutality exists in this country, a google search will give you plenty of examples and non-white people in shops are more likely to be watched for shoplifting than white people are.

To say that white privilege doesn't exist when you're white is quite funny.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Says the white guy.

Tell me a time, post a link, when 'white privilege' helped a lower/working class white person.

It's a lot more about class, a lot more!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Tell me a time, post a link, when 'white privilege' helped a lower/working class white person.

It's a lot more about class, a lot more!

So, you want sources from me but don't provide any for the statement that YOU made?

[LeatherTrumpet]

[QUOTE=Marsh.;10890977]Goes beyond "life isn't fair" and more into it being purposely made even harder than it should be because you have a certain colour skin/accent/genitals. And, no, that's not right.

"Life is hard" is not a justifiable reason to be kicking down those not treated as equal to everyone else.

But, you know that.[/QUOTE
Yes if only life was fair..

I mean wtaf

[Marsh.]

You seem to be struggling with the quote function as well as white privilege.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So, you want sources from me but don't provide any for the statement that YOU made?

Yes, i stand by my statement that the lower and working class white people have no privilege whatsoever.

As usual, you said 'says the white guy'

Well, says the white guy too marsh. Trust me, in south London, if you're a poor kid, race means **** all!

[Denver]

For all those who say white privilege doesn't exist in the UK please explain why the black race is the most under educated and most likely to be living on the lowest incomes? Black majority boroughs in London are some of the worst places to live in the UK when the government should be doing everything to improves those places

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

Tell me a time, post a link, when 'white privilege' helped a lower/working class white person.

It's a lot more about class, a lot more!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417

https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...ent-undercover

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Denver

For all those who say white privilege doesn't exist in the UK please explain why the black race is the most under educated and most likely to be living on the lowest incomes? Black majority boroughs in London are some of the worst places to live in the UK when the government should be doing everything to improves those places

Agreed. But the parents should also be held accountable. Many very bright kids are held back by terrible parenting!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Yes, i stand by my statement that the lower and working class white people have no privilege whatsoever.

Stand by it as much as you like. My point being you expect to make a statement and have it stand alone but other people have to provide sources and links for you to make theirs?

Originally Posted by Swan

Well, says the white guy too marsh. Trust me, in south London, if you're a poor kid, race means **** all!

I'm sure race does mean **** all when you're white.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Swan

Agreed. But the parents should also be held accountable. Many very bright kids are held back by terrible parenting!

Bull **** I can tell you know black parents do not raise their children to get into gangs and crime that all happens because these areas are not funded and also a black person is less likely to get a job over a white person even if they are better qualified.

There needs to be a huge amount of funding into developing BAME areas and give those kids the same chance a white kid would get

[Liam-]

White people always like to pretend white privilege doesn’t exist with the same ‘well, we’re not well off!!’ lines, when the most basic form of white privilege is feeling safe when walking down the street because your skin colour isn’t seen as a weapon.

White privilege isn’t about wealth, class or career, it’s about the comfort and security not being a minority brings you, the clear majority of white people wont be accused of looking ‘suspicious’ just for walking, or waiting for people on the street, white people have never been and never will be held back or down because of their skin colour and no amount of ‘wahh, white people are under attack’ nonsense, will ever change that

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To claim that nothing has changed in recent history (unless you somehow think "recent" means 10 years and not 50) is just verifiably not true, and the things that have changed the most have changed because of mainstream acceptance and support. Now... I don't particularly LIKE that being the case. Having to convince the bulk public of something to get change, when the bulk public is a heaving sack of idiots, is extremely frustrating.

Like I said though it's not really an argument that needs to be had round in circles, it's theory-based and if you're right then the current gradual slide towards bolstered righteous indignation will result in meaningful change. Give me a nudge when that happens.

Give me an example, one example of something that changed due to a gradual societal shift that was not spurned by some catalyst, movement or protest.

Did we all wake up one morning and want equal rights for many groups? decent housing? Fair wages?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

White people always like to pretend white privilege doesn’t exist with the same ‘well, we’re not well off!!’ lines, when the most basic form of white privilege is feeling safe when walking down the street because your skin colour isn’t seen as a weapon.

White privilege isn’t about wealth, class or career, it’s about the comfort security not being a minority brings you, the clear majority of white people wont be accused of looking ‘suspicious’ just for walking, or waiting for people on the street, white people have never been and never will be held back or down because of their skin colour and no amount of ‘wahh, white people are under attack’ nonsense, will ever change that

Exactly this. They see the word "privilege" and think of the most extreme examples of like "homeless versus millionaire" rather than looking at the nuances in life that make the biggest differences to how different people's lives turn out.