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but the people coming over in boats aren't doing that are they? they want to get into the UK system bypassing legitimate asylum routes. Everyone in this thread knows this, so I can't for the life of me understand why people are defending them
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but the people coming over in boats aren't doing that are they? they want to get into the UK system bypassing legitimate asylum routes. Everyone in this thread knows this, so I can't for the life of me understand why people are defending them
The people coming over on boats can still claim asylum, even if they enter illegally, once they claim asylum, they’re no longer illegal, that’s the law.
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And people are defending them because not everybody sees them as an ‘infestation’ or an ‘invasion’, not everyone sees them as awful people because of where they come from or what they look like, some people just see them as people looking for a better life, it’s really that simple.
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but the people coming over in boats aren't doing that are they? they want to get into the UK system bypassing legitimate asylum routes. Everyone in this thread knows this, so I can't for the life of me understand why people are defending them
So it wasn't a joke?
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And people are defending them because not everybody sees them as an ‘infestation’ or an ‘invasion’, not everyone sees them as awful people because of where they come from or what they look like, some people just see them as people looking for a better life, it’s really that simple.
We keep hearing about how much better life in the EU is, maybe they could take a shorter and ssfer journey for an even better life!

We're a tiny and over populated island with virtually every service being stretched, there's no obligation to be the sanctuary for the world.
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[Migrants cheer 'UK' as several boats cross English Channel
in one morning
Sky News correspondent Ali Fortescue
describes an "extraordinary morning" as
she encounters Sudanese and Iranian migrants.]


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Peoples desperation turned into EDL mainstream breakfast entertainment.

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Peoples desperation turned into EDL mainstream breakfast entertainment.
Look GMBHD itv did 2 days early reports
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These crossings have been going on for decades, so what is it in this moment, with this government, that the country feels it can fall in line with far right ideology.

This crap has been on BNP leaflets for as long as the BNP have been around. Disappointing to see media now push these same talking points to generate a crisis.
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These crossings have been going on for decades, so what is it in this moment, with this government, that the country feels it can fall in line with far right ideology.

This crap has been on BNP leaflets for as long as the BNP have been around. Disappointing to see media now push these same talking points to generate a crisis.
the volume of people coming over in boats has increased dramatically hence the attention it's getting now, i thought that was obvious
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Every media channel is now reporting on this crisis so well done to nigel farage for highlighting this awful problem
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the volume of people coming over in boats has increased dramatically hence the attention it's getting now, i thought that was obvious
It's ok to align with the EDL and BNP if a perceived problem exists? The historical excuse of all regimes that want to harm minority groups is to play on a crisis.
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My issue is it is survival of the fittest

There are very few young woman using this method as it is too dangerous for them to travel alone or they have young children or elderly relatives that they cannot leave behind

These guys are unencumbered for the most part, I do feel for the ones who have family here but the majority do not

I think most people appreciate they want to improve their lives, but when people in the UK say well I want to hold on to the standard of living I have got, rather than see it drop due to overcrowding, lack of social housing etc, they are called racists, how does that marry up
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thats just bollocks and you know it. The not wanting ILLEGAL entrants into the uk is not an extremist view, and making accusations like that only strengthens peoples resolve and results in votes like brexit.
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My issue is it is survival of the fittest

There are very few young woman using this method as it is too dangerous for them to travel alone or they have young children or elderly relatives that they cannot leave behind

These guys are unencumbered for the most part, I do feel for the ones who have family here but the majority do not

I think most people appreciate they want to improve their lives, but when people in the UK say well I want to hold on to the standard of living I have got, rather than see it drop due to overcrowding, lack of social housing etc, they are called racists, how does that marry up
Standard of living isn't affected by the displacement crisis in the middle east. I really have no idea why, when the tories have been purposefully been reducing the standard of living with austerity, that frustration isn't targeted at the right people.

Thatcher used "managed decline" to describe her policy towards the north and Liverpool in particular in the 80's, the government just decided for purely ideological reasons that we all had it too good, and their mates paying taxes to keep it that way was too much of a load for them to bear.
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thats just bollocks and you know it. The not wanting ILLEGAL entrants into the uk is not an extremist view, and making accusations like that only strengthens peoples resolve and results in votes like brexit.
It's based on the justifications you provided. Legal immigration was the deciding factor on brexit.

It's fcuking hilarious when people claim that pointing out their bigotry is the reason for all of societies ills. Take some responsibility for your own damn opinions.

He made me do it, miss, is weak as piss to be honest.
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Chris Philp MP
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in Paris.
He is making new funds to cut this route.
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Standard of living isn't affected by the displacement crisis in the middle east. I really have no idea why, when the tories have been purposefully been reducing the standard of living with austerity, that frustration isn't targeted at the right people.

Thatcher used "managed decline" to describe her policy towards the north and Liverpool in particular in the 80's, the government just decided for purely ideological reasons that we all had it too good, and their mates paying taxes to keep it that way was too much of a load for them to bear.
Overcrowding causes a drop in living standards, not financial but from an environment point of view, travelling from a to b, getting to the doc etc

you will get plenty brown British people complaining about it, not just whites
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Overcrowding causes a drop in living standards, not financial but from an environment point of view, travelling from a to b, getting to the doc etc

you will get plenty brown British people complaining about it, not just whites
I agree to an extent, but an extra 5-10 minutes on a journey isn't really an indicator for standard of living when it comes to a society or country, it's more about access to healthcare, financial independence etc, and none of those things are dictated to by 40k asylum seekers each year.

The government made a choice to attack the real indicators of healthy society, freezing pay, stripping services, reducing police numbers, reducing healthcare professionals numbers.

Nothing that is happening in this country in 2020 is because of migrants crossing the channel, apart from the justification this provides people to align with extremism.
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What a pleasure to have the news agenda still dictated by former drivetime radio presenter Nigel Farage, who resists the suggestion that it’s time to declare an emergency in his career by announcing: “It’s time to declare an emergency in the Channel.”

Initially it was to be hoped there would be only one wave of Farage before a cure was discovered, but scientists have long accepted that we will simply learn to have to live with him, albeit in slightly diminished form with each outing, until he has finally infected so many layers of our culture that he is in effect spent. Think of it as a turd immunity strategy.

In his current strain, Farage presents as a sort of distress voyeur, hanging about the Dover coastal area with a cameraphone and practising what he imagines to be some kind of haute journalisme by filming the arrival or rescue of any migrant boats he manages to spot. I’m afraid police felt obliged to speak to him about his behaviour during lockdown.

Yet compulsively he returns. One can only imagine the quickening in the Farage journalistic loins when, after several hours of fruitless sea perving, he finally spots a small craft full of desperate people coming into his sights. Yes! I’ve got a bite! The dog has seen the rabbit! Perhaps Nigel imagines himself to be a sort of lone special forces operative – special farces would be more accurate – a Mittyish pose that allows him to deploy expressions like “oh-five-hundred hours” and “I’ve got eyes on a target”. And doubtless various other quasi-military phrases he would have been able to use for real during the second world war that he so pantingly fetishises. Or rather, he would have, had he not been born nearly two decades after it ended, chosen to pursue an extremely indifferent City career in commodities trading instead of military service, and not been given to appearing at far-right German rallies. I don’t want to go out on a limb here, but I suspect the latter in particular would have been a bit of a dealbreaker for British military recruiting sergeants in 1939.

So here we are in 2020, with Farage repeatedly talking about “invasions” and “beach landings” – another reminder of the essential truth about him. Namely, that had he lived through the time of his precious war, he would have been so terrified by the scale of its daily realities and so incapable of keeping calm about any of it, that he would have had to be interned for spreading panic. “Invasion” is a ridiculous turn of phrase for what is happening in the Channel, designed to do absolutely nothing to address the problem and absolutely everything to whip up frenzy.


Needless to say, Boris Johnson’s government is yet another administration so terrified of being outflanked on the right by Farage that they tack towards him. Furthermore, this is Johnson’s government’s favourite kind of crisis, which is to say it is not one. It involves relatively very small numbers of people, drives vastly bigger numbers of its base mad – but in a helpful way – and is a useful distraction from any number of real crises that it is failing to deal with. Things like the spectacularly hopeless U-turning on test and trace, or not having a post-transition Brexit deal, or treating a generation of children as an afterthought to the pub trade. These and many other ongoing horror stories are hugely more significant. Exactly how far down the government’s list of priorities events in the Channel should currently be is a matter of opinion, but it certainly wouldn’t be breaking the top 10 any time soon.

So yes, Johnson himself couldn’t be less interested in this sort of thing – he couldn’t be less interested in anything much at all, really – but understands its value as a diversion. Thus yesterday the prime minister took to the airwaves to brand migrant attempts to cross the Channel “a very bad and stupid and dangerous and criminal thing to do”. When you consider that refugees are in the majority young men sent in desperation by their families, it DOES seem strange that they prefer to get their stupid criminal kicks by doing bad things like making perilous sea crossings. They would surely be much better off donning black tie to smash up an Oxford restaurant.

Bafflingly, this wasn’t the line Priti Patel went with yesterday on a visit to Dover. The home secretary is now apparently deemed such an interview risk that her trip was covered by a personal videographer as opposed to news crews. Inevitably, she judges the military and their hardware the answer. RAF planes, Royal Navy ships … it’s very “all the gear, no idea”, like using a Formula One car to pop down to the shops. Indeed, in this same martial spirit, Patel has “issued an ultimatum to France”, giving our nearest neighbours the best opportunity to participate in a diversionary conflict since the Franco-Prussian war. A war footing would certainly suit our own Otto von Jizzmark, Dominic Cummings, who seems cut out for pitching into simple enemies like “the EU”, but stuck on rather bigger tasks like “running a government” and “doing your own childcare even when you’re ill”. Perhaps you reap what you sow. Or as the PM’s official spokesman preferred it yesterday: “At the end of this year we will no longer be bound by the EU’s laws so can negotiate our own returns agreement.” Exciting! Can’t imagine how that’ll turn out.

This article began with one unflushable, though, and it must play out with another. Who should be on hand with his own take on the Channel crossings but Theresa May’s former longtime chief of staff, Nick Timothy, who declares the system so broken that the time has come to process migrants offshore. This isn’t a new idea, naturally – Tony Blair once pushed the idea of Ukraine as a “safe haven” for asylum seekers, indicating his preference for using other countries as locations in which to fight our metaphorical wars as well as our literal ones.

Even so, Timothy’s unsinkable sense of rectitude does set one dreaming of a Britain where a certain type of political attention seeker could be “processed offshore”. Instead, he spent barely a summer holiday in the political wilderness after his spectacular tanking of the 2017 Tory election campaign, emerging with a column in the Daily Telegraph, which was initially branded “Ways to Win”. Talking about broken systems, the one that failed to regard Timothy as even remotely defective for more than five minutes is arguably the most broken of the lot.

Yet on it goes. There will always be a place for him and Farage and all the other guys. We don’t seem to do political has-beens in this country, which is intriguing given the sheer scale of cluster****ery over the past few years. In fact, the one thing you can be absolutely sure of is that all of the people cocking things up now will be on hand for the rest of your lives to offer lucrative advice, misdirection from their mistakes or freelance clifftop video-journalism. We really are a soft-touch country – just not in the way they claim.

Marina Hyde is a Guardian columnist
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It's time to declare an emergency in the Channel
Real Australia-style action needs to come soon, as taxpayers know what is
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Chris Philp, the Government’s minister for immigration compliance, would like voters to believe that he has begun to take the topic of illegal migrants crossing the Channel seriously. Responding to the recent record numbers who repeatedly attempt to make this unlawful journey onto UK shores, he spoke of them facing “real consequences”.

Such language is clearly designed to make everybody think that a change in policy is coming. Exactly a year ago, however, Boris Johnson made similar comments, claiming that illegal immigrants would be returned to France. Yet consider the latest statistics: there were 235 arrivals on Thursday; 146 on Friday; and 150 on Saturday.

All statements on this urgent matter will remain hollow and meaningless until there is real political action, and it needs to come soon. I have spent much of the lockdown period investigating illegal immigration via the Channel. It is a practical matter, whatever anybody says.

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In the face of the kind of unwarranted abuse to which I have become accustomed, I predicted that there would be a summer invasion. With up to 4,000 people logged officially this year already, who can say I was wrong?

Taxpayers are becoming increasingly vexed about this issue. They know it is unacceptable at every level. They also realise that it amounts to a national humiliation. Of all the reasons for voting Brexit in 2016, the desire for Britain to control its borders properly was the single thing that increased turnout at the referendum and resulted in the Leave vote.

Now I will make another prediction. The media will – finally – turn its attention to the next phase of this story: four-star hotels all over the country housing immigrants at an estimated cost to the public purse of £4 billion over the next decade. There can be little doubt that the political problems for the Government will worsen unless the nettle is grasped quickly.

Chris Philp has also stated that there are “legislative, legal and operational barriers” to progress. In this he is right, but the problem is not insurmountable. The traffickers in Calais continue in their illegal trade for two main reasons. First, not enough individuals who have made it to Britain by these means have been returned this year, meaning others know it is worth paying the money and taking the chance.

The second reason is that the final Brexit deal may make 2020 the last year that such crossings are possible. As a result of the UK being in the transition period, the EU’s Dublin regulations still apply.

The upshot of this is that the practice of an individual claiming refugee status in the first safe country they reach has been turned on its head. We are now in a situation where what might be called “asylum shopping” has been allowed to take hold in which – under EU rules – the UK is favoured as an ultimate destination over France because of the extraordinary generosity shown by this country to illegal immigrants.

I would argue in the strongest terms that Britain cannot afford to wait until January 2021 for any rule changes to come into force. The time has come already to declare an emergency. This would be far better than sending a few Royal Navy vessels into the Channel where, as things stand, they would simply join the Border Force and RNLI in becoming a taxi service.

The real answer to this problem lies with following the lead provided by the government of Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott several years ago. Like Abbott’s administration, Boris Johnson needs to make it clear that nobody who enters Britain illegally having arrived via France will qualify for refugee status. This is the only realistic solution. Naturally the human rights legal lobby, the United Nations, and those in our society who are soft-headed would cry foul at this. The voting public would cheer the government to the rafters, though. People know that stopping this illegal trade is not just about satisfying public opinion on border controls. Neither is it simply about spending billions of pounds of taxpayers’ money on services which those same taxpayers rely, instead of funding tens of thousands of people who have never paid into the system. No, it is also about national security.

The vast majority of those who come to Britain illegally are young men about whom very little is known. The chances of them integrating into British society and sharing British values are, in most cases, remote. And it is likely that some of them will be active sympathisers with Isil and other extremist groups, as other European nations can testify

Unless Johnson acts quickly, one of his chief legacies will be to have stored up a huge problem for the future of this country. Does he really want to be remembered for this?

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Letter resurfaces from Nigel Farage’s schooldays warning of “racist” and “fascist” tendencies
The letter expressed concerns about his "publicly professed neo-facist views" - warning that he was prone to singing Hitler youth songs.

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A letter addressed to Nigel Farage’s school master in 1981 has resurfaced on social media.

The sternly written correspondence signalled early warnings about his neo-fascist tendencies – warning that he was prone to singing Hitler youth songs.

Farage was a pupil at Dulwich college in South London, one of Britain’s most prestigious schools.

In June 2918, English teacher Chloe Deakin begged head teacher David Emms to reconsider his decision to appoint him as a prefect.

Deakin did not know Farage personally but her letter includes an account of what was said by staff at their annual meeting, held a few days earlier, to discuss new prefects.

The letter says that when one teacher said Farage was “a fascist, but that was no reason why he would not make a good prefect,” there was “considerable reaction” from colleagues.

The letter continues: “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views; and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson.
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