[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

Just close the proms down all together if that's the feeling.

In fact, let's ban all patriotic songs the world over.

yes and then more especially those whom are ancient, what rule britannia, land hope & glory are

britain is no longer an empire, so no need for these songs anymore

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes and then more especially those whom are ancient, what rule britannia, land hope & glory are

britain is no longer an empire, so no need for these songs anymore

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

The British empire is (by a considerable margin) the largest and most wide-reaching empire in global history... and also... as far as I know, the Italians aren't singing patriotic songs about the Roman Empire .... nor the Byzantines... nor the various Reichs... haven't heard many blaring trumpets for the Mongols either.

I don't have any massive personal issue with the songs but I do think that, in general, patriotism need not include conquest. I do think there's an issue with overall British and especially English culture where the concept of national identity and patriotism is heavily linked to Empire, so there's a struggle in knowing what to sing about if NOT "ruling the waves". Most countries have anthems that are much more "inward looking" - even the ol' Star Spangled Banner is about "America at home" and not their global activities.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Livia

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

Quite. The world's history is long and bloodied. Black people have been slavers, white people have been slaves. All races have been slavers and slaves. Virtually all races have built empires.

To act as if any people alive today should feel guilty for their ancestors is just stupid.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

yes i understand, but also brexit was created by people who believe they are still an empire while britain isn't a long while anymore

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

If you're left leaning you hate the country?...

The Italians aren't singing songs from the Roman empire are they? It's history.. brutal and undemocratic history.