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09-09-2020, 09:39 PM | #151 | ||
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09-09-2020, 10:48 PM | #152 | |||
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You're projecting now I never said that advocating retaliatory violence was a good idea at all... But I can get my head around the reasons why others may find being in that situation more challenging, and not just cos they is fick.
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09-09-2020, 11:11 PM | #153 | |||
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YASSSS SIS beat his ass x
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10-09-2020, 08:16 AM | #154 | ||
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I've said (repeatedly) that I understand why the men involved were so angry and frustrated and I empathise with the reasons they were lashing out. But there are people on this thread not just saying they understand why it happened, or that it was inevitable that something like that would happen - they're arguing that it was the right course of action. Applauding it. That's what I find immature and/or "fick". The people in this thread were not there, they don't have the defense of it being "in the heat of the moment", their reasoned response is that responding with violence was the right thing to do. Frankly if this was 5 years ago, I'd be flabbergasted that I have to defend thinking that that sentiment is wrong and stupid. Not any more, sadly.
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10-09-2020, 09:06 AM | #155 | |||
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...anyways, last few thoughts ..(...for the moment...)...it isn’t reasoned or relevant to ask...’what would you do...’...on a personal level...because it is obviously very personal and emotional and not reasoned at all to have that asked of you in discussions such as this...and there has also very much been a repeated vein of thought of looking at the older guy possibly becoming physical first, which isn’t for me as clear as maybe it is for some...’ I don’t condone but, though.../...this isn’t all completely clear..’...type thing...
...’Always’ and ‘Never’ are two of the most powerful words and the middle ground and also reasoned ground, imo...would be ‘human’ ...and that must have a ‘right’ to that as well...Jack, I think...always adds very interesting discussions and thoughts to stories like this, which are topics in their own right, as he said... “all violence is bad and never acceptable” argument cropping up, and thought it was relevant to illustrate that that argument is founded on a lot of false equivalences. I think it’s an interesting topic in its own right.” Last edited by Ammi; 10-09-2020 at 09:10 AM. |
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10-09-2020, 09:24 AM | #156 | |||
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10-09-2020, 09:24 AM | #157 | |||
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10-09-2020, 09:28 AM | #158 | |||
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10-09-2020, 09:30 AM | #159 | |||
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tbf judging by the video, that wasn't actually the men's first thoughts, they became violent not after the verbal insults but after the man made a swing for them, not saying I think that was the right thing to do, clearly the man wasn't ever going to be a real physical threat to them, but there was a fair bit of provocation from him before they reacted that way
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10-09-2020, 09:34 AM | #160 | |||
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10-09-2020, 09:35 AM | #161 | |||
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10-09-2020, 09:35 AM | #162 | |||
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Provocation is not a defence for assault.
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10-09-2020, 09:39 AM | #163 | |||
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I didn't say it was?
*If that was aimed at me
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10-09-2020, 09:41 AM | #164 | |||
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10-09-2020, 09:44 AM | #165 | |||
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Again, I'm not for a minute saying that how they reacted was the right thing to do but I can see why they got so angry as well
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10-09-2020, 09:47 AM | #166 | |||
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Yes, I can see why they got angry. And the old man was out of order. But I abhor the support they seem to have got on here for beating up an old man. And that is not aimed at you.
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10-09-2020, 10:51 AM | #167 | ||
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I wonder if people would be so defensive of the racist if he was black and the two guys were white.
If you're going to abuse someone and then try to hit them, you're provoking a fight. None of this wouldn't happen if he had kept his racist mouth shut. |
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10-09-2020, 11:21 AM | #168 | ||
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No one (really) has been defensive of the racist rather than critical of resorting to unnecessary physical retaliation, and it would be exactly the same no matter who was involved.
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10-09-2020, 11:24 AM | #169 | |||
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If I'm being totally honest I think I'd be more inclined to swing a little more towards it being an OK thing to do had he been a younger, stronger looking man, rather than an older, frail looking guy. Not sure if that's being a bit biased or maybe then it would seem more like self defense because there would have been more of a threat (psychically) to the two men? hhmmm
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10-09-2020, 11:35 AM | #170 | ||
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Again even if you want to take the old guy out of the equation completely in terms of caring what happens: There isn't a judge in the world who is going to hear that a 30 year old punched a 70 year old in the head and caused a brain haemorrhage that resulted in death - for ANY reason other than to stop a real, immediate, active threat to themselves or others - and not have it result in the person throwing the punch going to jail on a manslaughter charge. Not worth it, stupid idea, stupid and reckless action. And no, before we start pretending again, this weak-arse 70 year old bloke throwing his boney little hands around does not constitute a real or active threat. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 10-09-2020 at 11:36 AM. |
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10-09-2020, 11:57 AM | #171 | |||
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everyone appears to want a more tolerant society, but that works both ways. Tolerance means you don't beat the **** out of someone if they say some bad things. Equally of course, people should be more respectful of everyone around them
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10-09-2020, 12:09 PM | #172 | |||
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I may be wrong it's just a theory that the gay men in the thread feel the same way as they have been in similar threatening situations.
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10-09-2020, 12:21 PM | #173 | ||
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10-09-2020, 12:23 PM | #175 | ||
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