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Old 10-09-2020, 02:37 PM   #51
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Why complain though? For every complainant there will have been 1000s who thought it was amazing...I did.

Why attempt to stop things you don't like?
Because right wingers are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to snowflakery ‘cancel culture’
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...George Floyd had freedoms as well ...but I guess that the power of a performance that expressed ...No, enough please...was overridden by...no, not on our watch, please...express that life taken in your own time and not on our entertainment watch...how much more can we really take of this...?...messing with BGT for goodness sake...
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They have now... and look at the meltdown, what?... Why are you trying to make me think!? It's Saturday night ffs!
I will preface this by saying I don't watch BGT. I think it's pretty much the worst brand of trash, and I actually *like* a lot of trash TV.

However, in general... I'm totally unapologetic in saying that, yes, people need headspace and escapism sometimes. It is healthy or even essential to be able to "switch off" sometimes if you don't want to end up hopping off down the depression/anxiety rabbit hole and I don't think anyone should feel bad for insisting that - as vitally important as many issues are - it's not a case at all of meaningful issues vs frivolous entertainment with the entertainment "obviously" always coming second to current social issues and politics. The balance is important, we're all bombarded with hard-hitting politics all week long and... yeah... if people want to eat some fish fingers and waffles, switch off their brains and watch dumb Saturday night telly without it too being full of political messages then I will fully defend their right to do just that.

Like I said originally I'm aware that there may well be a double standard going on, with people not being bothered about other political messages and suddenly kicking off over this, and that's another discussion BUT on the basic premise of people having the right to NOT always want to engage with politics 24/7, and in fact access to "simple escapism" being an essential aspect of good mental health.
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Old 10-09-2020, 02:44 PM   #53
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....hmmmm, I’m not really why you’re quoting my post there, TS...or what you’re unapologetic for...I honestly don’t know what your post is referring to in relation to any other post tbh...
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Most of the people who complained were labour voters
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....hmmmm, I’m not really why you’re quoting my post there, TS...or what you’re unapologetic for...I honestly don’t know what your post is referring to in relation to any other post tbh...
The idea that it's "petty" for people to complain about global political events being brought "into their entertainment time", as though the importance of the latter pales in comparison to the former.

The idea that "simple entertainment time isn't that important" because people should always be ready and willing to listen to political voices "about important things" is a very quick route to poor mental health, generalised anxiety and (ultimately) no one having the mental resources or energy to do anything about anything.
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Old 10-09-2020, 03:16 PM   #56
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So, no-one complained about the kids singing about climate change and saving the planet but a black dance group gets thousands of complaints dancing about equality? Both are causes that some people feel passionate about but only the race cause brings complaints.
To make it a closer comparison, I'd be interested to see if people would complain about a dance which showed people choking to death in a smoke-filled wasteland to make an environmental point.

Anyway, if people are gonna get on their soapbox about foreign affairs, I wonder why people aren't talking about the concentration camps in China? FGS a world war was started 80ish years ago because of people acting like China are now...
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I reject the whole 'people need an escape' angle tbh. It's complete white privilege to want a 'break' from hearing about racism. Black people don't get a break, they have to live it. Black people in America have to deal with the fact that they can be shot to death while sleeping in bed, or playing a game with their nephew in their own Living Room or being shot by an officer who has wandered into their apartment and killed them because the officer was in the wrong department. The UK is not so innocent when it comes to brutality either.

If people get tired of hearing about racism and inequality in general, they should probably appreciate the fact that it doesn't affect them and the 'worst' they have to deal with is simply hearing and acknowledging that such inequality exists.
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Black people in America have to deal with the fact that they can be shot to death while sleeping in bed
If you're referring to Breonna Taylor, there's some misinformatino there.

Obvious she shouldn't have been killed -being part of a drug ring doesn't carry the death sentence- it seems she was in her hallway at the time. Not that that makes it any better.
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If you're referring to Breonna Taylor, there's some misinformatino there.

Obvious she shouldn't have been killed -being part of a drug ring doesn't carry the death sentence- it seems she was in her hallway at the time. Not that that makes it any better.
Kind of irrelevant, as is the drug ring thing since it stinks of attempting to justify her death as her being in the wrong.

They were in bed, and they got out because of the police and then she was shot to death.
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Its probably people with young kids who were just sat down to have a nice evening and then had to field a barrage of questions, nobody knows why people complain, people complain about alot of things,(ask the mods ) its not really up to us to judge
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I will preface this by saying I don't watch BGT. I think it's pretty much the worst brand of trash, and I actually *like* a lot of trash TV.

However, in general... I'm totally unapologetic in saying that, yes, people need headspace and escapism sometimes. It is healthy or even essential to be able to "switch off" sometimes if you don't want to end up hopping off down the depression/anxiety rabbit hole and I don't think anyone should feel bad for insisting that - as vitally important as many issues are - it's not a case at all of meaningful issues vs frivolous entertainment with the entertainment "obviously" always coming second to current social issues and politics. The balance is important, we're all bombarded with hard-hitting politics all week long and... yeah... if people want to eat some fish fingers and waffles, switch off their brains and watch dumb Saturday night telly without it too being full of political messages then I will fully defend their right to do just that.

Like I said originally I'm aware that there may well be a double standard going on, with people not being bothered about other political messages and suddenly kicking off over this, and that's another discussion BUT on the basic premise of people having the right to NOT always want to engage with politics 24/7, and in fact access to "simple escapism" being an essential aspect of good mental health.
Tosh... nobody is 'bombarded' with anything we aren't tied to a chair and forced to watch thing's. We have a choice to consume as much or as little as we want.
Personally I think that the contemporary issues of the day do at times spill over into 'light' entertainment. .. during such a pivotal moment in history it's almost inevitable.

You can sit there with your eyes shut and your fingers in your ears if you want, thankfully the majority of people support the arts and their contribution to societal mood.

I will fully defend an artists right to express their strength of feeling and a broacasters right to air it.
If we don't see these issues from different angles and perspectives that's when it will affect mental health.
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The idea that it's "petty" for people to complain about global political events being brought "into their entertainment time", as though the importance of the latter pales in comparison to the former.

The idea that "simple entertainment time isn't that important" because people should always be ready and willing to listen to political voices "about important things" is a very quick route to poor mental health, generalised anxiety and (ultimately) no one having the mental resources or energy to do anything about anything.
How do you cope when you watch soap operas? That's classed as 'entertainment' too..When there's a particularly harrowing storyline do you book yourself in for counselling?
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‘I think that the contemporary issues of the day do at times spill over into 'light' entertainment‘...as spoken by Kizzy...



...I think that the thing with that as well...is that obviously it’s know with all involved in the show...that there might be a ‘risk’ involved in alienating some viewers as they understand the controversy/opposing views etc of BLM, you know...so they’ve risk assessed and felt the performance was something they wanted on their show and worth the risk because it’s so important and such a powerful way to convey...?...it was all obviously previewed or pre approved as it were...and the final vote was...yes, you’re through, we want this on our light entertainment show...
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the reason that ofcom exists it to give people a vehicle to comment if there is something they don't like on the TV. What i find staggering is that people who supposedly want equality want to undermine that vital service and basically force their opinions upon others
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So, no-one complained about the kids singing about climate change and saving the planet but a black dance group gets thousands of complaints dancing about equality? Both are causes that some people feel passionate about but only the race cause brings complaints.

Absolutely.

I saw nothing to complain about.
Other issues have been presented on BGT in the past.

Dance is entertainment.
It's also an expression of history, the present and the future..
With themes across the board.

The complaints, I would possibly expect to be from those who would be against this expression like this anywhere.
Or in any other way too.
From their own inner prejudices.

Honestly if I was to complain about all I found unacceptable or offensive to my thinking on TV..
I'd never be doing much else.

I saw nothing to complain about, this is just more about the worrying intolerance growing.
Ridiculous.
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the reason that ofcom exists it to give people a vehicle to comment if there is something they don't like on the TV. What i find staggering is that people who supposedly want equality want to undermine that vital service and basically force their opinions upon others
There’s a REALLY big difference between saying ‘it’s stupid that people are complaining’ and ‘people shouldn’t be allowed to complain, ofcom shouldn’t exist’

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the reason that ofcom exists it to give people a vehicle to comment if there is something they don't like on the TV. What i find staggering is that people who supposedly want equality want to undermine that vital service and basically force their opinions upon others
Exactly

and endorsing a worrying marxist extreme "movement" that want to shut UK prisons and destroy capitalism

so end all jobs in the UK and let all paedophiles out in the street

on a family show is so so wrong

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the reason that ofcom exists it to give people a vehicle to comment if there is something they don't like on the TV. What i find staggering is that people who supposedly want equality want to undermine that vital service and basically force their opinions upon others
That’s a tolerant society for you
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Ofcom exists to make sure that TV shows abide by regulations, it is not a points of view organisation. You can't complain to Ofcom just because you don't like what you're seeing, it has to breach regulations for the complaint to be anything other than hot air.

You're basically spreading misinformation to have a pop at people you dislike and your comparison is both silly and illogical because of it. Don't try to force a square to fit into a circular hole. Also, no one is saying you can't complain, we are simply expressing our own rights to our opinions on the matter. Freedom of speech works both ways, BOTS.
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