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AnnieK · 18-09-2020, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What do they mean by "second lockdown" though? We know they can't restrict non-Covid NHS services again, it was a complete disaster and has already caused absolute chaos and multiple deaths.

Also would point out that Scottish and English term dates are different; Scottish half term ends the week English half term begins. So would we lock down at different times? Or would the lockdown be "on England's schedule" and create a disadvantage for children in Scotland?

None of it has been well thought through once again.

If they were to propose shutting non-essentials (offices back to WFH where possible, close leisure stuff, dining in, and gathering places) that would be much more sensible. Keep NHS services, schools and retail open.

They are talking of a 2 week lock down so would make sense to include the Scottish week and the English week (unless scottish schools get 2 weeks), then only a week of school would be missed for both sets of kids

Tom4784 · 18-09-2020, 01:38 PM

I'll be surprised if they do another nationwide lockdown on the same scale again. They'll take the deaths over the costs.

Toy Soldier · 18-09-2020, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if we get to the levels we were at in march having implemented social distancing and face masks, it's going to be a dilemma, because even with things opened up, we shouldn't have a high infection rate, and while some may ignore social distancing, the majority are following it ... so some other factor is in play

Indeed, if the curve follows the same trajectory as it did in March/April then, frankly, I think we have to consider the possibility that many of the measures that have been taken actually do very little and the correlation with dropping cases has been coincidental.

Nicky91 · 18-09-2020, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'll be surprised if they do another nationwide lockdown on the same scale again. They'll take the deaths over the costs.

nationwide lockdowns are best, if people can't listen

we need to go for what's best for all of us, the most safe option

parmnion · 18-09-2020, 02:06 PM

Herd immunity is the only way.

Toy Soldier · 18-09-2020, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

They are talking of a 2 week lock down so would make sense to include the Scottish week and the English week (unless scottish schools get 2 weeks), then only a week of school would be missed for both sets of kids

We are having a 2-week October break for some reason this year, finish on Friday the 9th and go back on Monday the 26th. Most of England seems to be the 2nd week of that?

Scarlett. · 18-09-2020, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Herd immunity is the only way.

You can catch it a second time, so it wont work

Toy Soldier · 18-09-2020, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlett.

You can catch it a second time, so it wont work

Plenty of evidence that subsequent infections are mild or asymptomatic in the vast majority of cases due to T-cell immunity. What that doesn't help with, however, is elderly/vulnerable/shielding people who are likely to get it bad/fatally first time round, and of course much more likely to get it if there are millions of asymptomatic carriers.

In the absence of a vaccine, though, it's an inevitability, and really when thinking long term (in that scenario) it's better for as many to "get it young" as possible, as when we do all become elderly and vulnerable, people who had it when they were younger and fitter will be much better protected in old age.

That said I think it's FAR too early to "call time" on the possibility of an effective vaccine so we really want to keep levels as low as possible for as long as possible. Also, the longer we keep it from spilling out of control, the better healthcare becomes at treating serious cases. A vulnerable person who catches it even now might survive where they would have died back in April. And someone who catches it and dies now might have survived in 3 to 6 months time. They do get better at treating ICU cases all the time, that's something we rarely hear about.

caprimint · 18-09-2020, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'll be surprised if they do another nationwide lockdown on the same scale again. They'll take the deaths over the costs.

I agree, they def won't do a lockdown all over the country again because the economy will suffer too much, but they still have to make out that they would be willing to

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Herd immunity is the only way.

Agreed, I thought this from the beginning

arista · 18-09-2020, 04:03 PM

4,322 New Covid-19 Cases today in the UK

Today 27 Dead

41,732 Total Covid-19 UK Deaths

More data
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Zizu · 18-09-2020, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky91

nationwide lockdowns are best, if people can't listen

we need to go for what's best for all of us, the most safe option

We’ve just been in the local Home Bargain supermarket .. I’d estimate only 60% of customers ( no staff ) were wearing masks !!

We are close to lockdown in our town with an infection 4 times the National average and nearly as bad as the next town who have the WORST rate in the UK ..

I asked the first assistant we saw about all the non mask wearers he said they will only conform if they get fined ... I asked another assistant ten minutes later who said ‘ it’s up to the police to make them comply” ...

What is wrong with this damn country !!

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Zizu · 18-09-2020, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Plenty of evidence that subsequent infections are mild or asymptomatic in the vast majority of cases due to T-cell immunity. .

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I think the infections ‘appear ‘ to be milder simply because the over 60’s and vulnerable are being ultra careful and so it’s the youngsters who are being infected...

As soon as all these young selfish beggars ( around 4,300 daily and rising ) start passing it onto their families and friends things will go very bad , I fear

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bitontheslide · 18-09-2020, 05:01 PM

Breaking: Prime Minister Boris Johnson says a second wave of Covid-19 infections is coming to the UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54212654

Zizu · 18-09-2020, 05:01 PM

Sky reporting that the infections absolutely rocketed last weekend ... wasn’t that a few days before the rule of 6 plus other restrictions came into force ??

Why did they give 3 or 4 days notice giving all the idiots the weekend to go crazy !?!?!

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arista · 18-09-2020, 05:08 PM

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Breaking: Prime Minister Boris Johnson says a second wave of Covid-19 infections is coming to the UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54212654

Yes he just spoke in Oxford, longer interview on SkyNewsHD
(he was talking to the Newsnight BBC2HD reporter)
says France & Spain had what we now are seeing.
He just stated he does not want another Full Lockdown.

arista · 18-09-2020, 05:11 PM

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Yes Zizu
its getting worse

bitontheslide · 18-09-2020, 05:12 PM

The ONS infection survey, which tests thousands of people in random households whether they have symptoms or not, estimated there were around 6,000 new infections a day in the week to 10 September - up from 3,200 the week before.

It found infection rates were highest in the North West and London, and children aged two to 11 and young people aged 17 to 34 had most positive tests

Ammi · 18-09-2020, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

I think the infections ‘appear ‘ to be milder simply because the over 60’s and vulnerable are being ultra careful and so it’s the youngsters who are being infected...

As soon as all these young selfish beggars ( around 4,300 daily and rising ) start passing it onto their families and friends things will go very bad , I fear

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...I guess that we can only go on our own personal experiences, Zizu...and in the supermarket especially, I find younger people generally more mindful and distancing more etc as well as wearing masks...whereas with older people who would be seen as more vulnerable..(...and generalising again from my own experience...)...are (mostly) wearing masks but aren’t adhering to any distancing at all...and getting very up close and personal in their spacing...

Ammi · 18-09-2020, 05:20 PM

Coronavirus: Dublin placed under 'risk level three' restrictions...

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...tions-12074775

Zizu · 18-09-2020, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...I guess that we can only go on our own personal experiences, Zizu...and in the supermarket especially, I find younger people generally more mindful and distancing more etc as well as wearing masks...whereas with older people who would be seen as more vulnerable..(...and generalising again from my own experience...)...are (mostly) wearing masks but aren’t adhering to any distancing at all...and getting very up close and personal in their spacing...

Mmmm not here sadly .. I saw nobody over 30 wearing masks ... young women and teenage girls certainly weren’t .. guess they worry about their make up ..

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