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Old 21-09-2020, 05:50 AM   #26
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We wouldn’t have to have another one if we had a competent government that handled this properly
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Old 21-09-2020, 08:05 AM   #27
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we need second national lockdowns

people need to be ordered to stay home if they can't obey the other rules
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never going to happen, that would kill millions from poverty
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Old 21-09-2020, 08:12 AM   #29
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never going to happen, that would kill millions from poverty
not exactly our fault since our EU is going to protect us, apart from that one country who left them (who won't have advantages from the covid package fund)

Health is number one priority, and number one danger at the moment is corona, not poverty


poverty you can easily solve taking some money from super rich and giving it to the poor
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Old 21-09-2020, 08:22 AM   #30
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we need second national lockdowns

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I don't think it would be supported in the UK.
I think the last one shouldn't have been opened as quick and as much.

I've heard those saying if pubs are closing earlier, they'll just go out earlier to them to make up for that.

It's the vulnerable and elderly I worry over.
The government here has been awful, trying to coax more and more people out into society and work..
Then trying to slap them down.

Wild moonshot statements, irresponsibly made by the man leading the Country..
There's a huge dangerously sad joke in itself.
When the basic testing is in. chaos

I don't think the support is there for a full lockdown .
People are growing in their loss of confidence in this government.
Although there are those diehard and uncaring Tories who will support this useless leader we have, no matter what devastation he brings to others lives.

I wouldn't be having universities going back at this time either.

This is heading to be a shambles of an even bigger mess than 6 months ago.

Then we've a health secretary who can only deceive and lie too.
This is just like groundhog day with this government.
It's like we've stepped back almost 6 months rather than move on at all.
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Old 21-09-2020, 08:26 AM   #31
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basically it confirms Farage as one of those anti-maskers morons who believe corona is a hoax
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Old 21-09-2020, 08:35 AM   #32
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every country is facing the same problems, and this idealistic notion that a vaccine will save the day is just fantasy. We have to get used to the fact that covid is with us now. Shield the old and vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life. Restrictions are untenable, people will not accept them long term
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What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that
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What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that
if people cannot stick by the rules on their own, force them with a lockdown and this time a whole lot stricter, with armed military patrolling the streets 24/7
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Old 21-09-2020, 08:57 AM   #35
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if people cannot stick by the rules on their own, force them with a lockdown and this time a whole lot stricter, with armed military patrolling the streets 24/7
You can have that in the Netherlands Nicky, the problem is there is no end in sight with this virus so we gave to learn to live with it, locking people up will not work at all.
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What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that
Exactly....every time we come out we will be back in this situation if people don't follow the advice and rules.
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What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that
there is no point in it at all, it won't be effective, and the police would not be able to enforce it
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You can have that in the Netherlands Nicky, the problem is there is no end in sight with this virus so we gave to learn to live with it, locking people up will not work at all.
because of the vile youth who go breaking rules everytime


so that is why, second lockdown i advise
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because of the vile youth who go breaking rules everytime


so that is why, second lockdown i advise
aren't you a vile youth Nicky?
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What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that
How do you make selfish people change without a lockdown.
One selfish person can if they get this, then infect many others who are doing things right.

So you need the law to enforce change.
Anyone breaking lockdown rules, should feel the full force of penalties for doing so.
However no lockdown then that's not really feasible.

Growing numbers of areas are on lockdown and strict restrictions again.
That isn't having the effect a full lockdown had sadly.

Nobody really wants another lockdown.
However if it is the only way and last resort to bring down infections then what else can be done?

Things were eased too much too quickly in my view..
I don't want to lose any more people from my life to this virus.
If a lockdown can help prevent that, I'd support it.
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aren't you a vile youth Nicky?
no, i'm not

i never socialize anyway
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so that is why, second lockdown i advise
It's not just the youth here Nicky.

I see outside pubs, middle aged men and women out there all congregating together, for a cigarette or chat.
Then trooping off back into the pub, then heading off to their homes and others homes likely.

They are as much to blame but so was opening up the pubs the way they were too.
I think that was a mistake by government here AGAIN.

A friend of mine went to a pub where no one was being asked for contact details.
Obviously they left.

It's not just the youth here, or those middle aged people I mentioned earlier but some cutting corners business people too.

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It's not just the youth here Nicky.

I see outside pubs, middle aged men and women out there all congregating together, for a cigarette or chat.
Then trooping off back into the pub, then heading off to their homes and others homes likely.

They are as much to blame but so was opening up the pubs the way they were too.
I think that was a mistake by government here AGAIN.

A friend of mine went to a pub where no one was being asked for contact details.
Obviously they left.

It's not just the youth here, or those middle aged people I mentioned earlier but some cutting corners business people too.
middle aged people also among those who can die of the virus


youth can't die of this virus, but they are the ''superspreaders'' to those who can die of the virus

and i do not think any youngster wants to have a corona death on their conscience
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youth can't die of this virus, but they are the ''superspreaders'' to those who can die of the virus

and i do not think any youngster wants to have a corona death on their conscience
Sadly Nicky there's people who think those who have lost their lives to this detestable cruel virus.
It doesn't matter.
As they'd have died anyway and didn't of this virus.

How to get past that mentality is beyond me.

I know the losses from my life were people who lost their lives unnecessarily earlier than they should have.
That's a fact.

One was a fit NHS Nurse, who contracted this caring for those in hospital with this virus when there wasn't adequate protection equipment for Doctors and Nurses.

I'll never agree with those voices diminishing or dismissing the deaths to this virus.
They are another real danger to dealing effectively with it.
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I agree there should be a standard when it comes to restaurants/pubs/cafes and it should be law that details are taken rather than leaving it up to the visitor to text or scan an app which is the case in some places, that said social distancing was well observed in all the places we visited over the last few days, and no one can stand at the bar other than to order
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How do you make selfish people change without a lockdown.
One selfish person can if they get this, then infect many others who are doing things right.

So you need the law to enforce change.
Anyone breaking lockdown rules, should feel the full force of penalties for doing so.
However no lockdown then that's not really feasible.

Growing numbers of areas are on lockdown and strict restrictions again.
That isn't having the effect a full lockdown had sadly.

Nobody really wants another lockdown.
However if it is the only way and last resort to bring down infections then what else can be done?

Things were eased too much too quickly in my view..
I don't want to lose any more people from my life to this virus.
If a lockdown can help prevent that, I'd support it.
People were fed up with the lockdown by May, they won't do it again. The government could bring in 100 laws, it doesn't matter. People will live their lives as they want to. If the government try to do anything more than shield the vulnerable there will be a huge backlash
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I really don't think it's the government confusing people its the media ,one minute saying we are having a second lock down then saying one is not needed, IF we are told a lock down is necessary because some people have not adhered to advice ,then surely that's what we should do , but human nature as it is will always think it doesn't apply to them ,so they will never comply, so I don't know the answer to that one and I know I will get well' they don't stick to the rules themselves' comments, but really its just an excuse to flout rules, just because someone else does something does not mean we should do the same, not everything has been spot on, mistakes have been made ,but the blame game is always aimed at the government when really we should all do our bit, no matter if others have not.A lot of hate is aimed at Boris when he is just really the messenger.
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I really don't think it's the government confusing people its the media ,one minute saying we are having a second lock down then saying one is not needed, IF we are told a lock down is necessary because some people have not adhered to advice ,then surely that's what we should do , but human nature as it is will always think it doesn't apply to them ,so they will never comply, so I don't know the answer to that one and I know I will get well' they don't stick to the rules themselves' comments, but really its just an excuse to flout rules, just because someone else does something does not mean we should do the same, not everything has been spot on, mistakes have been made ,but the blame game is always aimed at the government when really we should all do our bit, no matter if others have not.A lot of hate is aimed at Boris when he is just really the messenger.
you speak nonsense in this post lol


people do not have to decide anything for themselves, they MUST comply to the rules and STAY HOME

maybe it is indeed better to take freedom away from people
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you speak nonsense in this post lol


people do not have to decide anything for themselves, they MUST comply to the rules and STAY HOME

maybe it is indeed better to take freedom away from people
people don't need to do anything nicky, laws are only enforceable if people want to abide by them, and people wont abide by any new lockdown
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people do not have to decide anything for themselves, they MUST comply to the rules and STAY HOME

maybe it is indeed better to take freedom away from people
Of course people decide whether to abide by rules or not, they cannot be forced to do anything.so nonsense to you and others but not to me,
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