[Ammi]

...I did think that part of his address to the nation was very wonderful though.....so not all bad, bless him...

Youtube video

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[Strictly Jake]

Loved the sketch at the start of bake off. Was perfect that it just so happened to be on the same night as boris!!

Bake off was lovely to be back on by the way....matt lucas is great!

Back on topic, Im so confused lately with all these rules, do this actually dont do it etc

[Strictly Jake]

Anyone else think Boris would be good at celebrity catchphrase?

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...we can’t put the country right though, bots...I mean that would never be suggested in any way, that we/the general public could...whether it be this or any other country../...world crises...’we’ vote in our leaders to inspire guidance etc...and they put themselves forward for that inspired guidance as well...I mean, I just don’t ever get that ‘sitting in our armchairs’ thing as any perspective at all because it’s really not...we could lay criticism at a ‘bad surgeon’ because they’re indeed a bad surgeon...but are we suggesting that we ourselves, with no surgical knowledge etc, would be able to perform a surgery to a higher standard.../...that mindset would make no sense at all to me to have any bearing...for our very lives in many things, we need a leader/government who is able to lead and govern...they haven’t made bad decisions imo, Boris and his chosen crew...they’ve made decisions that have sacrificed lives and that’s way beyond what ‘bad’ could ever imagine...

...we never, ever sit in our armchairs when the voting vibe happens and this government has let so many people down who found their feet and their vote for them...

the majority of people on this forum didn't like Boris before covid, so they were never going to fans now. Plenty people support Boris and what he is trying to do so people can have opinions sure, but it is simply that

Also, don't think it's particularly responsible of bake off to undermine the government at a time of national crisis ... i don't think its funny

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Loved the sketch at the start of bake off. Was perfect that it just so happened to be on the same night as boris!!

Bake off was lovely to be back on by the way....matt lucas is great!

Back on topic, Im so confused lately with all these rules, do this actually dont do it etc

stay away from people/crowds as much as possible and don't socialise with more than 6 people and even when socialising, keep your distance unless they are your family of course, think you guys also have no household mixing?

[Strictly Jake]

Originally Posted by Cherie

stay away from people/crowds as much as possible and don't socialise with more than 6 people and even when socialising, keep your distance unless they are your family of course, think you guys also have no household mixing?

Yeah we are currently in a mini lockdown. But other than not mixing households everything is pretty much the same still.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the majority of people on this forum didn't like Boris before covid, so they were never going to fans now. Plenty people support Boris and what he is trying to do so people can have opinions sure, but it is simply that

Also, don't think it's particularly responsible of bake off to undermine the government at a time of national crisis ... i don't think its funny

...that’s not true, though and it really is for each individual personally to know and say...I was one of the ‘wasn't a fan before‘, people...but COVID gave more of a ‘level play’ again in how I viewed him...especially as he had, had the virus himself and been hospitalised...I felt/hoped that would have attached some ‘personal’ to him as well in any empathies /compassion/considerations etc he may have shown...but no, just no, no and no...there has always been a time to ‘create fans’ who were not fans before, some were very open to that...Whether it be COVID related../...Brexit related or whatever...the most he and his government have shown this country is lies after lies after lies...

[Ammi]

...the 6 people..(..I think..)...can only comprise of two households as well, it can’t be from 3, 4, 5, 6 different households...

[Strictly Jake]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the 6 people..(..I think..)...can only comprise of two households as well, it can’t be from 3, 4, 5, 6 different households...

But noone would know whether they were or werent anyway

[Ammi]

...I mean, this is a government headed by Boris ...that took away so many testing centres as the schools and industries went back to ‘normality’ that he said was safe to go back to and would be monitored...is that ‘trying his best’...or is that just callous and reckless and placing very little weight on human life...?...it’s staggering, the suggestion that he was ‘never going to have fans’ based on any previous political or personal history...if only the public had any need to ever go that far back...I mean, streuth...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

But noone would know whether they were or werent anyway

...yeah to an extent, Jake...but then isn’t ‘let’s tell on our neighbours’ being encouraged as well, so...it’s all just a messy mess of a mess...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I don’t think that we can dismiss bad governments, though...bad is bad, no matter what times we are living in and Boris most definitely defines bad for so many...of course people are frustrated, losing loved ones can be a very frustrating thing and the lives that some of ‘his’ people are living every day of his bungling ineptitude...the world that we’re living in right now is far too scary and worrying to be in the hands of such a career politician...

Absolutely Ammi.
On ALL your posts.

I don't in any way consider myself just an armchair critic.

I've had to pull myself up to coping in this, protecting my Mum particularly, and seeing the UNNECESSARY deaths of family and friends.
2 under 40 and 2 more elderly.

I resent those calling people like me armchair critics.
I've battled, by getting medical records and learning the facts.
Gathering too the experiences of others too.
As to how these UNNECESSARY deaths happened.

The veiled supporting for Johnson is what annoys me when it's said Hancock is incompetent while excusing the incompetence of the man who can and should have by now, sacked him from his health post.
One of the most important posts at this time.

I have never liked Johnson.
I said from the start of this pandemic, I hoped for success for this government.
I praised Sunak for his initial response.

We still get this us and them comments as to well people didn't like Johnson before this.

I have never really liked a Labour party leader either, despite my support there.
I never got the leader I wanted.

Johnson isn't, by growing numbers liked now because his mask is falling.
His attitude, lack of any real compassion,he won't even meet with groups of bereaved families of this pandemic..his double standards and incompetence.
That's why I don't like him, as growing numbers are also now eventually seeing his deceit.

Some will never see it and will only get at people, saying they never liked Johnson anyway, or they're just armchair critics.
To a degree that's all anyone on this forum is, an armchair critic.
Some dismiss this pandemic near totally.
Some see it a huge joke to inject humour too.
Some have lost really close family and friends yet get derided for their anger and massive hurt left by that, especially as to unnecessary deaths.

To have a career politician as you point out , totally inept in dealing compassionately, with justice, efficiently and quickly.
Having the power of control.
Is frightening in the very least.
That's why I don't like him, this cabinet is a dismal failure because none dare really speak out.

At a time we needed a strong, determined, listening and caring leader.
What we've got is all the opposite to that.

People can rush in and in a veiled way keep defending him but it's obvious to me.
You cannot have got as much wrong as this government has on this.
Then say they're doing the right thing.

I don't think we've ever been as badly served in England by any government as we have by this one, in a time of massive crisis too.

For me, Scotland has a real leader.
Who shows, firmness with authority, however fairness and compassion too.
Never stops expressing condolences to those, (even if there was only a single one), as to deaths in a family.

This arrogant PM we have can only tell us there'll be more and not even acknowledge the losses of loved ones now.
Rising figures again even on his manipulated registering of deaths now too.

This armchair critic then, has lost 4 very special people from his life and I am hurt and furious at that.
So I'll keep justifiably attacking the incompetence and the incompetent leader who has, by being so ill prepared, inept and by his procrastinating dangerous reactions, helped make UNNECESSARY deaths more likely.

It's a scandal and indefensible.

Perhaps I'm too close to this issue with the losses of loved ones.
However dismissed as being just armchair critics is a gross insult.

From the medical records, it's easy to see what went wrong in part.
Which caused the unnecessary deaths before their time.

The truth will out one day and I'd guess this PM may possibly want to be well out the way when it does too.

[Ammi]

...the thing as well, Joey...of course we’re armchair observers as it were because we’ve spent time being quarantined to armchairs so observing our government has been a big part of our lives...even those who generally not gravitate toward any political stuff etc...because this isn’t just ‘political’, it’s human...we observe, yes...but we also live, all of us live this virus with our own personal and individual experiences and in a much more ‘real world’ than some politicians who are making our rules of living...and that’s how we judge, not from anything that came before...

...and we should observe and we should judge and we should feel everything we feel, what our heads and hearts say to us about this government...because looking back in history..?...there sadly may be no looking back for some of us/or/and some of our very most loved ones...so ‘armchair now’ is all there might be so it’s very important to voice, also...and to feel etc...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the majority of people on this forum didn't like Boris before covid, so they were never going to fans now. Plenty people support Boris and what he is trying to do so people can have opinions sure, but it is simply that

Also, don't think it's particularly responsible of bake off to undermine the government at a time of national crisis ... i don't think its funny

I kind of agree with this bots , this is why I don't bother giving an opinion on it much anymore on here ,but I will answer this one as it's balanced. whatever he does is shot down ,plus I really doubt he sits there alone and thinks 'Oh what can I do to piss everyone off then no one will ever vote for me again ' people are now moaning that they may not be able to celebrate Xmas properly ,so what ? if it saves lives, we should be complying, the rules are not that difficult to get your head around. So many armchair experts and so little knowledge.

[Strictly Jake]

I have just read nicolas speech word for word

Its so clear cut and understandable but also it is very sympathetic! Its so much better then Mr Mumble Bumble!

[parmnion]

Boris doing a bad job equats to him being the spawn of satan..sturgeon doing an equally bad job equats to her being a fantastic leader..

Neither have led thier perspective countries well during this, yet one is saintly and one isnt..


Makes no sense to me...get the kids back off school cause the buses are a shambles and fast becoming death traps cause the kids just wont keep thier masks on and are mixing with many working adults in such confined spaces.

[Toy Soldier]

Scotland have tightened overall but have actually relaxed a little on kids under 12 - they can meet outdoors (with other kids under 12). I think under-18's are allowed to meet in groups of up to 6 without social distancing, too.

Apparently the "zero household mixing indoors" thing is quite important; the West of Scotland implemented it a few weeks ago and (apparently) it has had a notable effect on rising case numbers there. It applies to the whole of Scotland now.

[Strictly Jake]

Also can I just say why hasnt sexism in the house of commons not being a big thing at the moment. I was watching it yesterday, when the male mps asked their questions total silence in the room, when the women mps asked their questions a lot of mumbling seemed to be happening in the background I have seen this happen on many occasions now

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Boris doing a bad job equats to him being the spawn of satan..sturgeon doing an equally bad job equats to her being a fantastic leader..

Neither have led thier perspective countries well during this, yet one is saintly and one isnt..


Makes no sense to me...get the kids back off school cause the buses are a shambles and fast becoming death traps cause the kids just wont keep thier masks on and are mixing with many working adults in such confined spaces.

Let's not fling all of the kids in the UK under the bus (excuse the pun) just because London is a rat warren; most places in the UK aren't an overcrowded mess so most kids don't have to go on public transport to get to school. Close London schools if you must .

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Also can I just say why hasnt sexism in the house of commons not being a big thing at the moment. I was watching it yesterday, when the male mps asked their questions total silence in the room, when the women mps asked their questions a lot of mumbling seemed to be happening in the background I have seen this happen on many occasions now

Pretty standard stuff to be honest, same reasons women on Twitty get torn to shreds for expressing things that barely blip on the radar when men say them.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Let's not fling all of the kids in the UK under the bus (excuse the pun) just because London is a rat warren; most places in the UK aren't an overcrowded mess so most kids don't have to go on public transport to get to school. Close London schools if you must .

This is in rural essex.

[Strictly Jake]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Pretty standard stuff to be honest, same reasons women on Twitty get torn to shreds for expressing things that barely blip on the radar when men say them.

But I mean its so obvious to see and hear its nasty

[bitontheslide]

we have dedicated school buses here

[Ammi]

...this is so ‘politics’ and demonstrating of ‘Boris politics’ as well...get people to look at people and judge people...judge the younger, the older, the townies, the countryphiles, the neighbours, the bus travellers and etc and etc, etc.../...all distractions from facing the government and Boris square in the face...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the thing as well, Joey...of course we’re armchair observers as it were because we’ve spent time being quarantined to armchairs so observing our government has been a big part of our lives...even those who generally not gravitate toward any political stuff etc...because this isn’t just ‘political’, it’s human...we observe, yes...but we also live, all of us live this virus with our own personal and individual experiences and in a much more ‘real world’ than some politicians who are making our rules of living...and that’s how we judge, not from anything that came before...

...and we should observe and we should judge and we should feel everything we feel, what our heads and hearts say to us about this government...because looking back in history..?...there sadly may be no looking back for some of us/or/and some of our very most loved ones...so ‘armchair now’ is all there might be so it’s very important to voice, also...and to feel etc...

Absolutely spot on Ammi.

Your inclusion of us living in, during and with this virus does indeed make us more than just sitting armchair critics.

How I envy those who have lost no one to this virus.
I hope that no one does.
That, once you realise a death ought not have happened, then another part of you is woken up.

Far from armchair critic you become an active critic and justifiably too.
No one should lose their lives before their time.
No matter how an unnecessary deaths occurs.

In this pandemic, with the chaos of protection equipment which caused the death of my friend who was a Nurse.

The not testing of hospital patients, being sent back to care homes who then infected others there.

You don't sit back in an armchair to criticise when that happens.
You want justice.
So you'll act because if you've lost people very close to you.
You owe that to them too, as well as others and yourselves.

Now there's voices who want all that brushed under the carpet.
Those actually responsible in part and in power too.

If people just take that, do nothing and then jump in with ignore armchair critics, people's hurts don't matter, deaths happen.
Don't just criticise the PM, he and his governmentt are doing their best.

Good lord, I'd hate to see his and their worst if this is his best

I also am going to add this.
Yes, like a broken record which I make no apology for.
Yet here he is, again, ignoring the vulnerable and elderly he shoved outside by removing all the help and aid of shielding.
FOR those who even STILL needed it and wanted it.
To save in effect a pittance.

Yet if they've no practical.help elsewhere, they HAVE to sustain themselves and seek all they need.
Out there where this virus is still around and again growing after his pushing as many people back into the community and towns as he could.

I could never admire anyone who played such dangerous games with those vulnerable and elderly as this PM has.
Yet all day yesterday, he offered those who still needed and if they actually wanted the official stamp of shielding, nothing.
He did and said nothing.

Being Mayor of London, is not being PM.
It's a different position altogether.
There are a lot of skills and qualities needed to be a PM of a whole Nation.
Johnson in my view has very few ,if any at all of them.