[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's 12.

So there wont be anything for the self employed this time.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Quite frankly yes.



My dad had to shield as he is in a high risk group. I have been so ridiculously careful during this, putting my life on hold to protect him. If people followed the rules, that will be enough. We do not need military presence at the moment.

Young people are not and will not abide by the rules .. we know that .. something has to change and quickly ..
Over 6,000 new cases today !


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[Josy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I just had a cold and I never get colds, no cough or temp, it was all in my head

I was actually thinking my mask caused my cold, weve had to wear them in work for months when in crowded areas, meetings etc but after some workers testing positive a few weeks ago we now have to wear them constantly, it's only since then my cold came on

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Young people are not and will not abide by the rules .. we know that .. something has to change and quickly ..
Over 6,000 new cases today !


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I think it's unfair to blame young people tbh yes some will completely ignore the rules without care about who it affects but many elderly are very stubbornly ignoring the rules too and then im aware of other adults of various ages with a horrible '**** you jack I'm alright' attitude

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Josy

I think it's unfair to blame young people tbh yes some will completely ignore the rules without care about who it affects but many elderly are very stubbornly ignoring the rules too and then im aware of other adults of various ages with a horrible '**** you jack I'm alright' attitude

Completely this, the problem doesn't lie with any specific generation, it lies with selfish idiots

[Dogeatdog]

Originally Posted by Josy

I think it's unfair to blame young people tbh yes some will completely ignore the rules without care about who it affects but many elderly are very stubbornly ignoring the rules too and then im aware of other adults of various ages with a horrible '**** you jack I'm alright' attitude

Agree completely. It wasn’t so long ago that the beaches were packed with admittedly young people but families as well. It’s the same with the pubs, I went to one pub the other weekend and I’m sure I was the youngest person in there and I’m 26. It’s not just young people that are causing the problem, there’s plenty of adults that are having a terrible attitude to the rules so to just keep blaming young people just doesn’t make sense to me.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Josy

I think it's unfair to blame young people tbh yes some will completely ignore the rules without care about who it affects but many elderly are very stubbornly ignoring the rules too and then im aware of other adults of various ages with a horrible '**** you jack I'm alright' attitude

I feel ( and surveys/ stats show ) that it’s the under 30’s who are ‘driving’ this new frightening new wave ..


A spike in young people getting COVID-19 will result in more older people being admitted to hospital with the virus, scientists have warned.

Dr Adam Kucharski, infectious disease epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said it could be just a few weeks until the UK sees an increase in older people being admitted to hospital after the spike in young people testing positive.

He told Sky News: "We've seen lots of changes in behaviours recently, more people are gathering now and in younger groups especially, more people are happy to gather."


Over the summer, cases have risen faster in younger groups than any other, with cases tripling in the 20-29 age group at the end of August compared to the first week of July - when it reached its lowest point.


England's deputy chief medical officer, Jonathan Van-Tam, has warned there has been a marked rise in cases in the 17-21 age group and urged people to "re-engage and realise that this is a continuing threat to us".

The latest Public Health England (PHE) data found the 20-29 age group now has the highest coronavirus infection rate, with 28 people infected per 100,000 people in England in the week ending 30 August.




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[Ammi]

Panic buyers are 'selfish and divisive' as 'only the better-off can afford it'...

Panic buyers are “selfish and socially divisive” because only middle classes can afford to do it, an MP and supermarket have said.

Reports suggest that the UK is beginning to stockpile again after the imposition of new restrictions, prompting urgent pleas from retailers for customers to only buy what they need.

Supermarkets insisted that they have strengthened their supply chains and boosted home delivery capacity in response to the empty shelves seen in March meaning there is no need to panic buy.

However, Alex Davies-Jones, the MP for Pontypridd, said she had been made aware of a “spree” of panic buying in her constituency.

She said: “People engaging in panic buying shouldn’t be. I have been assured [by local shopkeepers] that there is no need and that the supply chains are there. Anyone panic buying is selfish and they aren’t thinking of others.”

A spokesman for Iceland said there is no shortage of products or delivery slots at the supermarket.

He added: “There would also have been no shortage of products at the start of lockdown if people had resisted the urge to stockpile.

“Panic buying is selfish and socially divisive because stockpiling is only an option for the better-off, and it seriously disadvantages those including the elderly and vulnerable who can only afford to buy what they need.”

In an email to customers the chief executive of Aldi, Giles Hurley, urged customers to shop “considerately”, while Tesco boss Dave Lewis told Sky News that “unnecessary” panic buying could cause “tension” in the supply chain.

Some corner shops have prepared for possible panic buying by rearranging stores to place high-demand items, like cleaning products, in a more prominent place.

One shop owner in the Midlands posted a picture on Twitter of a display of cleaning sprays and disinfectant and said the shop is “ready for the second lockdown”.

Meanwhile, shop workers union Usdaw said that enforcing social distancing and the wearing of face masks had become the main trigger for abuse of retail staff. General secretary Paddy Lillis said the abuse was “a disgrace”.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/panic-buye...161037031.html

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I feel ( and surveys/ stats show ) that it’s the under 30’s who are ‘driving’ this new frightening new wave ..


A spike in young people getting COVID-19 will result in more older people being admitted to hospital with the virus, scientists have warned.

Dr Adam Kucharski, infectious disease epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said it could be just a few weeks until the UK sees an increase in older people being admitted to hospital after the spike in young people testing positive.

He told Sky News: "We've seen lots of changes in behaviours recently, more people are gathering now and in younger groups especially, more people are happy to gather."


Over the summer, cases have risen faster in younger groups than any other, with cases tripling in the 20-29 age group at the end of August compared to the first week of July - when it reached its lowest point.


England's deputy chief medical officer, Jonathan Van-Tam, has warned there has been a marked rise in cases in the 17-21 age group and urged people to "re-engage and realise that this is a continuing threat to us".

The latest Public Health England (PHE) data found the 20-29 age group now has the highest coronavirus infection rate, with 28 people infected per 100,000 people in England in the week ending 30 August.




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So what you're saying is, those more likely not to be working from home, such a students with part time jobs, or shop assistants, or waiters caught the virus more than those who are more likely to be working from home?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

So what you're saying is, those more likely not to be working from home, such a students with part time jobs, or shop assistants, or waiters caught the virus more than those who are more likely to be working from home?

No ... I'm guessing its youngsters / under 30's who are carrying on with their social lives as though we weren't in the middle of a catastrophic pandemic .. wether it be in parks , raves , parties , get togethers , pubs , clubs etc etc


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[Kizzy]

Oh look at that 57% increase in complaints to Thames water... wasn't it a Corbyn policy to re-nationalise water?... oh well.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zizu

No ... I'm guessing its youngsters / under 30's who are carrying on with their social lives as though we weren't in the middle of a catastrophic pandemic .. wether it be in parks , raves , parties , get togethers , pubs , clubs etc etc


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...any/all younger people that I know, Zizu ..?..are very much not carrying on with their social lives at all, their lives have very much been stunted and they’re very much following all restrictions that other ages are...there will obviously be some who don’t/haven’t so much because ‘all’ is a very powerful word...?...but that ‘ally would be the same with older people as well, though...this is where news media and social media and such the like can be so divisive and add another layer to any virus fears or anxieties...how things are portrayed and reported to slant...’IT’S THEM, THEY’RE THE ONES..’...?...sadly it’s something that’s part of politics as well, to have everyone looking at each other as a diversion/distraction, type thing...whenever we ourselves have personally seen social distancing or mask wearing etc, not being observed, though...?...the reality is of the different age ranges it’s applying to because as is the way with these things, it’s applying to individuals as opposed to a section of society or generation...in general and on the whole and excluding those comparatively few individuals, Zizu...younger people are caring for and helping to protect and safeguarding older people, they’re not endangering them, they’re as diligent as any of us are...they are most definitely not ‘the enemy’...and the only way to battle this virus, is to not take our eyes off it as the enemy it is that we all need to focus on in our protections.../...which most people are, from the children to the elderly...

[bitontheslide]

We know that the younger demographic are catching covid more, but we can't say with any certainty how they are catching covid. By definition, they are more active in the community so are therefore statistically going to be more prone to catching it than other age groups, that doesnt mean that they are flouting rules in vast numbers ... it might, but there would need to be more evidence than a couple of choice pictures in the media.

Looking across europe as a whole, cases are increasing everywhere. The simple truth is that we cannot stop nature. Even with face masks and a "sensible" social distancing strategy, you can still catch covid. The increase in transmission is clearly more related to the change in seasons than anything else. Strong UV kills the virus and that has now gone for this year so we need to be extra careful, but even then, total isolation is the only sure fire way of staying clear of the virus

[Ammi]

...I think with the ‘catching more’ bots...?...to me, that was always a likelihood anyway, or maybe more of an inevitable, even...just because they were always, in general...’the least protected’ as they’re seen as the least vulnerable...I guess that it’s all showing as well, how successful it’s been in protection of the more/most vulnerable if the the highest ratio is in the least vulnerable.../...there are varying perspectives of looking at it...

[Ammi]

...anyways, I know that it’s the same old, same old of our government being particularly bad at how they’ve implemented measures and restrictions etc......yes I know, I do go on...but Spain was obviously ahead of us from the off and their easing of measures were often a little ahead of us as well...but atm, they’re behind in that their restrictions aren’t what ours have had to become...the travel restrictions and socialising restrictions etc aren’t what we are experiencing ...I mean, that might be to come as well but atm they’re more behind, when they were ahead of...and they’ve had..(..in their tourist areas...)...quite an influx of overseas tourists as well...

[bitontheslide]

we need to be careful when using Spain as a comparison because they have been under reporting their figures for months. It's better to look at overall trends in countries rather than actual figures as none of them use the same reporting methods

Just to add, that we have the ONS data as a cross reference, so we have checks and balances on our figures