[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She's basically of the opinion that women's sex based rights are being affected by some trans "gender" based rights (women's sports being an example) she also object's to the erasure of the word "woman" in women's health information and women's products (sanitary products being an example) apparently that translates to literally killing transpeople

in a nutshell

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She's basically of the opinion that women's sex based rights are being affected by some trans "gender" based rights (women's sports being an example) she also object's to the erasure of the word "woman" in women's health information and women's products (sanitary products being an example) apparently that translates to literally killing transpeople

I wish someone could say what is wrong with these views? There's absolutely nothing hateful there

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

She says that trans people are just confused or misguided.

Here's an article you can read.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidip.../#3a436d6a12c7

So is all of this hate stemmed from those two tweets?

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She's basically of the opinion that women's sex based rights are being affected by some trans "gender" based rights (women's sports being an example) she also object's to the erasure of the word "woman" in women's health information and women's products (sanitary products being an example) apparently that translates to literally killing transpeople

Honestly to me it just sounds like the media and cancel culture over reacting, as per.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

So is all of this hate stemmed from those two tweets?







Honestly to me it just sounds like the media and cancel culture over reacting, as per.

Yeah pretty much, fortunately she's pretty uncancellable

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

So is all of this hate stemmed from those two tweets?

If you read it you'd know that she composed an essay on her thoughts and also has put problematic trans stereotypes in her writing. Also it doesn't matter how many tweets there are if there is even one that's problematic.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

and also has put problematic trans stereotypes in her writing.

When? If you're referring to the latest book, the part where a non-trans dude wore a wig and women's coat for like five seconds in order to attack someone? If you think that relates to transwomen, it kind of reflects more on you than JK

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Also it doesn't matter how many tweets there are if there is even one that's problematic.

Which tweet/s did you perceive as ... "problematic" (lol) ?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

If you read it you'd know that she composed an essay on her thoughts and also has put problematic trans stereotypes in her writing. Also it doesn't matter how many tweets there are if there is even one that's problematic.

Wasn’t there a movie a few years ago, called Split iirc that had a man with a personality disorder who would ‘dress as a woman’ occasionally and killed ppl?

Did people want that cancelled? Or is it just J.K that deserves to be cancelled?

[bitontheslide]

michael caine in dressed to kill

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Wasn’t there a movie a few years ago, called Split iirc that had a man with a personality disorder who would ‘dress as a woman’ occasionally and killed ppl?

Did people want that cancelled? Or is it just J.K that deserves to be cancelled?

It’s just JK Rowling! What she said wasn’t even offensive. She was just pro women’s rights and people seem to feel insulted.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Wasn’t there a movie a few years ago, called Split iirc that had a man with a personality disorder who would ‘dress as a woman’ occasionally and killed ppl?

Did people want that cancelled? Or is it just J.K that deserves to be cancelled?

Great film but tbf I don't think any of his female personas were killers... the main "murderous" one was definitely male.

[Shaun]

I think she's just become the figurehead for anti-trans sentiment (which is rife at the moment, with everyone making a big hoo-ha about Facebook gender options, the "people who menstruate" thing, bathroom choices, trans rights being infringed upon by the Trump administration - specifically in the military - etc.) I don't necessarily believe she is transphobic but I do believe she is amplifying transphobic voices: she endorsed some little online store the other day that freely sells badges like these:

The last one in particular should surely ring alarm bells ("transwomen are men" is such a blanket, incorrect and disrespectful statement). This whole "hivemind" thing that TS is having great fun in building up works both ways, and a whole lot of actual trans people are being told to shut up and grow up without actually being listened to.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Shaun

This whole "hivemind" thing that TS is having great fun in building up works both ways, and a whole lot of actual trans people are being told to shut up and grow up without actually being listened to.

I don't disagree and if you browse around you'll see me expressing a general disdain for dumb tribalism; all I've ever advocated for is open and nuanced discussion of a contentious issue. You're certainly not wrong in saying that Rowling is at high risk of being adopted as the PosterLady of the opposite extreme and she should be very wary of that, not least because it ultimately is counter-productive to her own original message, just as on-prescription, stonewallish trans-rights dogma is proving to be counter productive to furthering trans rights.

That has no bearing at all on my opinions on those who vehemently deny that any discussion at all is necessary, and that brand all those who want that discussion to take place as "hateful transphobes and TERFs".

[Marsh.]

Hmm

[DouglasS]

Blair white a trans you tuber says she does not find any of JK Rowling said transphobic or even remotely insulting. Claims people are over reacting and are insulted over Facts and science

Youtube video

Worth a watch imo

She says that it’s “trans ally’s” painting trans people to be easily offended and To be perpetual victims over basic tweets/pro women tweets, when actually a lot of the trans community agree with what JK Rowling has said and it’s actually these ‘allies’ putting words in the trans communities mouths (people who actually can not relate)

[Elliot]

Another trans you tubers perspective, worth a watch as very fair and balanced and well researched

Youtube video

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I think she's just become the figurehead for anti-trans sentiment (which is rife at the moment, with everyone making a big hoo-ha about Facebook gender options, the "people who menstruate" thing, bathroom choices, trans rights being infringed upon by the Trump administration - specifically in the military - etc.) I don't necessarily believe she is transphobic but I do believe she is amplifying transphobic voices: she endorsed some little online store the other day that freely sells badges like these:

The last one in particular should surely ring alarm bells ("transwomen are men" is such a blanket, incorrect and disrespectful statement). This whole "hivemind" thing that TS is having great fun in building up works both ways, and a whole lot of actual trans people are being told to shut up and grow up without actually being listened to.

Is there a chance she wasn’t actually aware of those ****ty badges/phrases on those shirts?

I just don’t see a woman who wrote something as motivating and forward thinking as the HP series to believe in things like those quotes on that website.

I actually like the shirt she’s wearing. It’s like it’s relevant to HP and it’s kind of a FU to her haters

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Is there a chance she wasn’t actually aware of those ****ty badges/phrases on those shirts?

That’s like claiming she also wasn’t aware when she retweeted a tweet comparing trans people to black face, which she actually tried claiming at the time but doubled down in her essay thing

[Niamh.]

[Marsh.]

This is kind of the problem these days. You can't agree with someone on one issue without the "but, but, but" brigade assuming it means you're best friends with them and agree wholeheartedly with every opinion and action from their entire lives.

[Tom4784]

As I always say when it comes to JK, she had some valid points in the beginning but in the face of criticism, she's doubled down and rolled in the mud with transphobes and gave them her support while tweeting transphobic stuff herself. Mud sticks and she kind of lost her original point almost in a way to 'stick it' to the people who criticised her.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Mud sticks and she kind of lost her original point almost in a way to 'stick it' to the people who criticised her.

I do actually think that's the case, she's unfortunately let the flak that she took in the immediate aftermath affect her and has been "lured to the dark side" in flirting a little too closely with the opposite extreme. They offered her support when she was under attack and that drew her into the tit-for-tat that can get pointed and nasty... for example the shirt she endorsed - I doubt she meant to endorse the other things made by the site, but she also clearly put her voice behind something in a kneejerk fashion without actually looking into who they were which is an extremely naive "internetting". Plenty of big YouTubers etc. have fallen into that trap and ended up having to apologise, to the extent that most "new internet celebrities" are aware of how important it is to do your homework. It's not JK's playground and she's been drawn into some unfortunate missteps.

If I'm going to be completely blunt on that one though, it's probably because she's ... umm ... not MASSIVELY bright. She has an exceptional imagination as I've said before, I think her overall world-building is exemplary in the entirity of literary history. The "wizarding world" is a marvel. But if you compare her actual WRITING to others who have created very detailed fictional worlds - Tolkien, Terry Pratchett, Frank Herbert - it's functional but basic. These "Cormoran Strike" books (that I honestly had no idea existed until recent events) sound like such pulpy formulaic trash I don't even know where to begin .

But yeah with my harsh hat on, I think JK had a point to make, made it well in the first instance, and then was drawn into an ongoing twitter spat that has been totally unnecessary. I think we all understand that temptation on our worst day but when you're so firmly in the public eye it's even more important to resist . Read the comments, make notes, write and publish another opinion piece later... don't get down scrapping in the mud with the muggles.

[Marsh.]

I don't think there's a correlation between her writing (I mean the Strike stuff is just basic whodunnit stuff) and her intelligence.

In interviews and when discussing the world in general she doesn't strike me as particularly unintelligent. Probably more naive when it comes to the internet.

[Black Dagger]

****ty people support equally ****ty person.

Next.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

****ty people support equally ****ty person.

Next.

Cherie needs knocking down a peg or two but this is hardly the thread for it.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't think there's a correlation between her writing (I mean the Strike stuff is just basic whodunnit stuff) and her intelligence.

In interviews and when discussing the world in general she doesn't strike me as particularly unintelligent. Probably more naive when it comes to the internet.

I'm not saying she's thick I just think probably no less likely to be drawn into it than, let's say, your average Tibber. Not a smart one like you or me obviously but your basic ones like Cherie or LT.

Obviously she wouldn't go around saying properly dumb things like "****ty people support equally ****ty person. Next."