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I don't agree with her stance at all but don't see how calling her names, alluding to her age, sexual activity, and physical appearance are any more acceptable.

I agree ,and some families might not like it but that's their problem . Ann is old fashioned and has old fashion views ,but she IS allowed her views, if people don't like the same sex dancing they are free to switch channels.
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I agree ,and some families might not like it but that's their problem . Ann is old fashioned and has old fashion views ,but she IS allowed her views, if people don't like the same sex dancing they are free to switch channels.
yes switch channels to coronavirus news 24/7, because if they cannot enjoy light-hearted entertainment shows, well then they better just stick to watching the boring irrelevant news


also idk what families do not like it, cause i don't read much negativity on this same-sex pairing, so idk what Ann is going on about, but this is just her way of bringing attention to her bored self
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I agree ,and some families might not like it but that's their problem . Ann is old fashioned and has old fashion views ,but she IS allowed her views, if people don't like the same sex dancing they are free to switch channels.
In all fairness, I haven’t seen anything in this thread that comes anywhere near the horrid vitriol she has aimed at the LGBTQ community, and I don’t agree with name calling, but I’m truly not very surprised that people are doing so, especially to those of the community that she wishes to convert to conform to her rather vile standards of what a relationship should be.

But again, I do understand where you’re coming from, moral high ground and all that, just sometimes it’s very hard when someone is that determined to strip away your identity, rights and dignity.
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Yeah come on gays, be nice about the dinosaur that has repeatedly shown hatred for us over many decades!
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Yeah come on gays, be nice about the dinosaur that has repeatedly shown hatred for us over many decades!
would you accept people using gay slurs in an argument, it's no different
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Because homophobia and calling Ann a dinosaur (which seems to be more aimed at the way she looks at the world and how old fashioned it is and not her age?) are the same thing

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yes switch channels to coronavirus news 24/7, because if they cannot enjoy light-hearted entertainment shows, well then they better just stick to watching the boring irrelevant news


also idk what families do not like it, cause i don't read much negativity on this same-sex pairing, so idk what Ann is going on about, but this is just her way of bringing attention to her bored self
I'm sure most people have more than news channels to turn to if they so wish.
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In all fairness, I haven’t seen anything in this thread that comes anywhere near the horrid vitriol she has aimed at the LGBTQ community, and I don’t agree with name calling, but I’m truly not very surprised that people are doing so, especially to those of the community that she wishes to convert to conform to her rather vile standards of what a relationship should be.

But again, I do understand where you’re coming from, moral high ground and all that, just sometimes it’s very hard when someone is that determined to strip away your identity, rights and dignity.
I dont take much notice of her Mitch, she has always been that way,like i said very old fashioned in her views, but those that want to enjoy it are free to as she is free not to, having said that I will watch it as i dont care what 'sex' they are as long as the dancing is entertaining.
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She knows whenever she says something like this it's going to cause controversy. The media know if they ask her what she is going to say and it will get people up in arms.

Best thing to do with outdated views such as hers is to ignore them. She is not going to change her views now. If people stopped paying attention then she would have no audience to spout her hate to.
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I meant dinosaur in the sense of her being in politics so long and her awful extreme heartless views then.
Plus also in the intolerant religiously bigoted views she tries to push down everyone else's throats.

Of course she's a Con, so there'll be veiled or open defence of her rotten prejudiced views.

I know much older individuals than Widdecombe.
Who are far more understanding and who try to be too.
Who'd never use media to spout out bigotry as Widdecombe does.
Presenting her own distorted view to the absolute extremes of religiously bigotry too.
Twisting the all encompassing, inclusive message of Christianity to her own vile interpretation of it.

Expecting all to follow her line.
She's a truly awful Woman.
No apology from me for saying, that to me, most, if not near all she says is stemming from her own intolerant acidic bigotry.

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Because homophobia and calling Ann a dinosaur (which seems to be more aimed at the way she looks at the world and how old fashioned it is and not her age?) are the same thing
she has been called far worse, read the thread, ageism, sexism, and body shaming all fine and dandy if the person is on the wrong side of the argument it seems
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She knows whenever she says something like this it's going to cause controversy. The media know if they ask her what she is going to say and it will get people up in arms.

Best thing to do with outdated views such as hers is to ignore them. She is not going to change her views now. If people stopped paying attention then she would have no audience to spout her hate to.
agree, like Katie Hopkins why give her a platform, just ignore her
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It’s always the minorities that are expected to turn the other cheek and be nice, nah, how about decrepit, bigoted fossils leave people alone for a change?
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It’s always the minorities that are expected to turn the other cheek and be nice, nah, how about decrepit, bigoted fossils leave people alone for a change?
well she was asked its not like a great surprise or anything]

I'm not the biggest strictly fan but I like Katya and think she is an amazing choreography so interested to see what she will do Nicola
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I dont take much notice of her Mitch, she has always been that way,like i said very old fashioned in her views, but those that want to enjoy it are free to as she is free not to, having said that I will watch it as i dont care what 'sex' they are as long as the dancing is entertaining.
i agree with this Kaz


and btw those people who are bit old fashioned in their views can watch movies or binge rewatch series, yes you are right that there is not just the news for them

i myself am not specifically watching for Nicola & Katya, they are not really among my favourites, but i do hope they are gonna deliver some bit of entertainment, and i wish them best of luck, how difficult it more is for a woman to play as the man and lead (for example when they get dances like Paso Doble, Tango or some of classic ballrooms such as Waltz, Foxtrot)
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I don't agree with her stance at all but don't see how calling her names, alluding to her age, sexual activity, and physical appearance are any more acceptable.
She has actively worked against the fight for equal rights for LGBT for decades. Calling her a few names for her work against equality for people who, until recently, had to only dream of being treated equally is not equivalent to her hatred and efforts to impede progress.

You may be able to excuse homophobia but don't expect others to.
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She has actively worked against the fight for equal rights for LGBT for decades. Calling her a few names for her work against equality for people who, until recently, had to only dream of being treated equally is not equivalent to her hatred and efforts to impede progress.

You may be able to excuse homophobia but don't expect others to.
Point out where I excused her comments in the thread please
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Point out where I excused her comments in the thread please
i feel the need to come to your defence this time Cherie, so yeah i know you don't agree with her at all
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i feel the need to come to your defence this time Cherie, so yeah i know you don't agree with her at all
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Point out where I excused her comments in the thread please
'I don't agree buuuuuuut'

You tried to equate what she has tried to do to the LGBT to the LGBT not being in a rush to be kind towards her.
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'I don't agree buuuuuuut'

You tried to equate what she has tried to do to the LGBT to the LGBT not being in a rush to be kind towards her.
She was clearly saying she doesn’t agree with anything she has to say but by calling her slurs or being vile yourself isn’t the way to go about it.... I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in the second sentence
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She was clearly saying she doesn’t agree with anything she has to say but by calling her slurs or being vile yourself isn’t the way to go about it.... I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in the second sentence
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