[Nicky91]

a woman who made me puke several times, first on strictly with her horror unappealing performance skills of a 0.0, shame there wasn't a 0 score paddle

and later on CBB where she should've been first boot for sure but shame that this old bigot homophobe got fans

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

a woman who made me puke several times, first on strictly with her horror unappealing performance skills of a 0.0, shame there wasn't a 0 score paddle

and later on CBB where she should've been first boot for sure but shame that this old bigot homophobe got fans

I'm not bothered on her age.
She was the same rotten so and so when she was younger.

I know people much older who have none of the prejudices this awful woman has.

Yes however, it's both sad and a shame any would even give veiled defence of her with her rotten and vile bigoted views.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm not bothered on her age.
She was the same rotten so and so when she was younger.

I know people much older who have none of the prejudices this awful woman has.

Yes however, it's both sad and a shame any would even give veiled defence of her with her rotten and vile bigoted views.

i am more bothered, because she does make elderly look bad in general, with her being a miserable vile negative woman all the time

her views are just way out of date


tbh one politician whom i did like, Edwina Currie and she was first boot on strictly which i found sad, since i found her coming across nicely with Vincent

shame how a Ann made it that far undeservingly, and Edwina did not get the public behind her

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Like....the woman has made it clear she thinks all gay people should be wiped off the face of the face of the Earth, should be allowed nowhere near children and believes that gay people can be cured as though we’re some form of disease.

But yeah. Let’s not call her an old bag. That’s just totally unacceptable.

I couldn't give a **** what you call her I'm just pointing out that when you use broad-spectrum insults, you don't only insult the target. She is obviously a piece of sh*t. The difference is that when I call her a piece of sh*t, there isn't an actual piece of sh*t out there to be offended by it being pointed out that it's bad to be sh*t... whereas when you use "old" as an insult, you're telling all old people that "being old is bad". I'm sure you get it, but feel free to continue pretending not to out of banal incredulity or whatever.

[parmnion]

People smeer **** on thier cattle as a mark of respect.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The point is that you should call her names that are specific to her rather than names that apply broadly and are offensive to people who have nothing to do with her. e.g. flippantly saying "meh she's old, dried up and irrelevant" might seem justified when it's applied to her, but by saying that if someone is over a certain age they're "dried up and irrelevant", that's inevitably insulting to other older people. It's using a benign trait as an insult.

Other examples; "Pfft he's just a disgusting fat bastard what does he know I bet he stinks of old cheese in his flabby folds" - offensive to overweight people who have done nothing wrong.

"LOL look at that bitch talking about other people when she has giant moles all over her face" - offensive to anyone who has moles on their face.

etc.

This isn't a hill to die on, TS.

[Ramsay]

The poor old bigot getting called names that she'll never see

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't think being careful as to thought of what she says, is a quality she possesses Mock.

She always usually jumps up to spout her religious and personal bigotry and prejudice.
As if she's only right and everyone and everything else is all wrong.

Awful extreme bigot is what she is.
Actually Dezzy described her better in his post, than I ever could.

I don't get how people become so hateful like her tbh.

[Nicky91]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I don't get how people become so hateful like her tbh.

Because there's people who'll defend her views, who hold in part similar views who'll distance themselves from her comments but defend her anytime she makes them.

The media who give her the platform, know there's people who she will please immensely with her as you say hateful comments and prejudices.

Because that's where it comes from the hate in her to anyone she considers undesirables.

I for one, and I'm sure from what you say too, you may agree.
I'd never in any way even set out to give veiled defence of her, or excuse her for these comments because she's old fashioned.
She's not old fashioned.
She's a hate filled homophobe and one of the worst kinds of religious bigots.
Not warranting, praise or defence from any quarter in my opinion.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

not TS a fan of Widdecombe

Just because people see things differently doesn't mean they are a fan.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just because people see things differently doesn't mean they are a fan.

The LGBTQ community fought long and hard against offensive references, stereotyping and slurs so its disappointing to see those tools that were used against them for so long used by some to make a point.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The LGBTQ community fought long and hard against offensive references, stereotyping and slurs so its disappointing to see those tools that were used against them for so long used by some to make a point.

well said, and i apologize for some names i had given to Ann


and yes i give in, Ann is entitled of her own opinion, and tbh it isn't surprising this coming from her, if she is really religious

that said, Ann and other people like her should try to not pay attention to the same-sex couple then, and focus on others, i mean older generations for sure will like Bill Bailey, Caroline Quentin more

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just because people see things differently doesn't mean they are a fan.

Doesn't mean they aren't either.

Well I wouldn't want to do anything else but to condemn her views.
Unless I agreed with some of what she was saying.

Thankfully I'd choose to be as far distanced from her hate filled bigotry.
The furthest away I could get.
IF I didn't agree with her.

Never giving any even tiny veiled defence of her and bypass the undercurrent of her hateful prejudices.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The LGBTQ community fought long and hard against offensive references, stereotyping and slurs so its disappointing to see those tools that were used against them for so long used by some to make a point.

The fact they had to fight so hard to gain that and rights..
Doesn't mean they now have to shut up and not defend still those rights hard fought for.
Especially against the hate filled religious bigots like Widdecombe.

Or would you rather those kinds of bigots prosper and get their say?

I certainly wouldn't and I'd be distancing myself and her vile suggestions of life and prejudices every chance I got to.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well I wouldn't want to do anything else but to condemn her views.
Unless I agreed with some of what she was saying.

Thankfully I'd choose to be as far distanced from her hate filled bigotry.
The furthest away I could get.
IF I didn't agree with her.

Never giving any even tiny veiled defence of her and bypass the undercurrent of her hateful prejudices.

she is like this, because of being super religious, those views i mean


a reason more why i do not like her, is because she is just being miserable the whole time

+ she had to slaughter my fave celine song my heart will go on with her ''rumba'' also not over that horror moment

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The fact they had to fight so hard to gain that and rights..
Doesn't mean they now have to shut up and not defend still those rights hard fought for.
Especially against the hate filled religious bigots like Widdecombe.

Or would you rather those kinds of bigots prosper and get their say?

I certainly wouldn't and I'd be distancing myself and her vile suggestions of life and prejudices every chance I got to.

Who is saying they can't defend themselves, point it out on the thread please where anyone has said that

[Niamh.]

Honestly I think people are deliberately misrepresenting what Cherie (and TS) have said, it isn't about Ann or defending her and saying she shouldn't be called out for being a bigot ........because she is, what she said is offensive and divisive. The issue is the use of sexist(and ageist) insults which are insulting to women in general, it's not ok to use racist or homophobic insults against people just because they're assholes so why doesn't the same apply about sexist slurs? It's about the use of sexist words in general as a way to insult anyone.

********I AM NOT DEFENDING ANN OR ANY OF HER VIEWS

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The LGBTQ community fought long and hard against offensive references, stereotyping and slurs so its disappointing to see those tools that were used against them for so long used by some to make a point.

Oh give over

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Honestly I think people are deliberately misrepresenting what Cherie (and TS) have said, it isn't about Ann or defending her and saying she shouldn't be called out for being a bigot ........because she is, what she said is offensive and divisive. The issue is the use of sexist(and ageist) insults which are insulting to women in general, it's not ok to use racist or homophobic insults against people just because they're assholes so why doesn't the same apply about sexist slurs? It's about the use of sexist words in general as a way to insult anyone.

********I AM NOT DEFENDING ANN OR ANY OF HER VIEWS

Thank you Niamh, a level of intelligence and critical thinking applied is always welcome

[Nicky91]

True Niamh


being sexist, ageist isn't good either



btw something about Ann here (source wikipedia)

Religious views
Widdecombe became an Anglican in her 30s, after a period of being an agnostic following her departure from religious schooling. Widdecombe is now a practising Roman Catholic; she converted in 1993 after leaving the Church of England. Her reasons for leaving the latter were many, as she explained to reporters from the New Statesman:

I left the Church of England because there was a huge bundle of straw. The ordination of women was the last straw, but it was only one of many. For years I had been disillusioned by the Church of England's compromising on everything. The Catholic Church doesn't care if something is unpopular.
In October 2006, she pledged to boycott British Airways for suspending a worker who refused to hide her cross. The matter was resolved when the company reversed the suspension.

In 2010, Widdecombe turned down the offer to be Britain's next ambassador to the Holy See, being prevented from accepting by suffering a detached retina. She was made a Dame of the Order of St. Gregory the Great by Pope Benedict XVI for services to politics and public life on 31 January 2013.


this does show she is very devoted to her religion, so yeah i apologize for calling her attention seeking and a troll in this thread, because i do now believe these are really her views, opinions (maybe outdated which is why i obviously disagree with them) but people like Ann are still allowed to have those views, and we have a right to disagree with them either (but i agree sexist, ageist insults are a no go for anyone)

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Who is saying they can't defend themselves, point it out on the thread please where anyone has said that

Cherie, I'm not going to risk being in bother again debating with you, sorry.
I've said what I've said and people interpret things differently especially the written word.

Which I will myself always never defend homophobic bigotry from anyone man or woman.
Nor will I have or show respect to to someone like Widdecombe who'll use any chance she gets to spout her vile dangerous bigotry.
Religious bigotry at that.

If I call her an awful woman it's because she is sadly a woman.
I can't call her a man hardly.

She doesn't care, man or woman who she offends.
That seems okay here then.

I detest Widdecombe always have.
She's one of the worst examples of a human being there can be in my view
Because if she had her way, LGBT individuals would likely be burned at the stake or stoned.

I'll stand by my own views.
Let's just leave it that you and I don't agree so it's pointless me saying anything else.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

True Niamh


being sexist, ageist isn't good either



btw something about Ann here (source wikipedia)

Religious views
Widdecombe became an Anglican in her 30s, after a period of being an agnostic following her departure from religious schooling. Widdecombe is now a practising Roman Catholic; she converted in 1993 after leaving the Church of England. Her reasons for leaving the latter were many, as she explained to reporters from the New Statesman:

I left the Church of England because there was a huge bundle of straw. The ordination of women was the last straw, but it was only one of many. For years I had been disillusioned by the Church of England's compromising on everything. The Catholic Church doesn't care if something is unpopular.
In October 2006, she pledged to boycott British Airways for suspending a worker who refused to hide her cross. The matter was resolved when the company reversed the suspension.

In 2010, Widdecombe turned down the offer to be Britain's next ambassador to the Holy See, being prevented from accepting by suffering a detached retina. She was made a Dame of the Order of St. Gregory the Great by Pope Benedict XVI for services to politics and public life on 31 January 2013.


this does show she is very devoted to her religion, so yeah i apologize for calling her attention seeking and a troll in this thread, because i do now believe these are really her views, opinions (maybe outdated which is why i obviously disagree with them) but people like Ann are still allowed to have those views, and we have a right to disagree with them either (but i agree sexist, ageist insults are a no go for anyone)

I know loads of people devoted to their religion who are nothing like Widdecombe.
She stands for the whole opposite of Christianity.
Anyone claiming to be a real Christian should equally be offended by her representation of it as they ought to be of her hateful thoughts and words.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Cherie, I'm not going to risk being in bother again debating with you, sorry.
I've said what I've said and people interpret things differently especially the written word.

Which I will myself always never defend homophobic bigotry from anyone man or woman.
Nor will I have or show respect to to someone like Widdecombe who'll use any chance she gets to spout her vile dangerous bigotry.
Religious bigotry at that.

If I call her an awful woman it's because she is sadly a woman.
I can't call her a man hardly.

She doesn't care, man or woman who she offends.
That seems okay here then.

I detest Widdecombe always have.
She's one of the worst examples of a human being there can be in my view
Because if she had her way, LGBT individuals would likely be burned at the stake or stoned.

I'll stand by my own views.
Let's just leave it that you and I don't agree so it's pointless me saying anything else.

you claimed people were defending her when nothing of the sort was happening, if you are going to make these claims you have to back them up, engage with me, don't engage with me that is your perogative

[The Slim Reaper]

Shocked to see Niamh defending Ann and her views.