[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

If it's only one day, I think it's ok.
People are going to see their families in Christmas day anyway.

it takes 10 mins of close contact to catch the virus Vanessa, and the virus isn't on holiday on Christmas day. Tens of thousands of elderly people could be dead by the end of January because of that one day

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

If it's only one day, I think it's ok.
People are going to see their families in Christmas day anyway.

how long do you think it takes to get infected Vanessa?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Bwitain wikes Cwistmas Cherie

I think its a kick in the teeth to the Sikhs who have just celebrated Diwali in lockdown, and when Eid was shut down the night before, but apparently everyone else can have 5 days of over feeding and close contact

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think its a kick in the teeth to the Sikhs who have just celebrated Diwali in lockdown, and when Eid was shut down the night before, but apparently everyone else can have 5 days of over feeding and close contact

I agree to be fair - I'm not a Sikh as far as I know, but we won't be having a "big Christmas" and part of me begrudges a January of lockdown just so that other people can get drunk and argue with family members they don't actually like on the 25th.

That said, I'm in the "privileged" position of having my family right here at home, perhaps I'd feel different if I was a grandparent living alone.

I know I didn't feel different when I was young and single - I spent a couple of Christmases on my own as a teenager purely out of choice. Sending bleak texts to friends about how I was sat watching TV and eating pizza on Christmas. Leaving out the part where my family was off to my aunt's for Christmas Dinner and I had refused to go .

[Vanessa]

Good news about the Oxford vaccine.
Hopefully we get that one soon.

[joeysteele]

I think it wrong simply on health grounds to open up the opportunity for much more mixing of people, households and family too over Christmas.

Sadly, I will not be,nor my Mum or Cousin who lives in my home either.
Not a chance.

Come 2nd December, when this lockdown ends, there will be loads of people charging out to the shops and Stores in those 3 weeks to Christmas.

Who knows how many will pick up this virus then.
Then pass it on over Christmas if things get relaxed.

This year has been one where ALL had to be changed across the board.
To court being more popular to open up much more and relax more over Christmas for me would be an abandonment of duty from any government in power.

I know families want to be together, I'd love to be with all mine, it used to be the time, even when I was at Uni where I got to see family and friends over the Christmas period, who I'd rarely been able to have quality time with over the year.

Not so this year and speaking for me and those I'm protecting as best I can.
Not the singlest or slightest of risks will I see taken.
So it will be phone, e mail and other ways of wishing all a Happy Christmas, in their own homes from mine.

I actually think this building up to saying things could be relaxed over the Christmas period could prove to be a very dangerous and devastating wrong action to put in place.

On the TV today a member of the independent SAGE group indicated, the relaxing of more over Christmas could lead to funerals in February.

That's a frightening but I don't think too far away from reality possible expectation.

So for me, it's as we are now, no risks necessary or to be taken either.

[Cherie]

5 days of Christmas for 25 days of lockdown, what madness is this, I hope they have leaked this to test the waters, most people I have heard on a phone in this morning think its crazy to risk health for one day

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Good news about the Oxford vaccine.
Hopefully we get that one soon.

its showing a promising immune response for people in their 60s and 70s

[Strictly Jake]

They dont need to relax the rules for everyone to mingle. Everyone has made sacrifices this year and this year surely everyone can have a different christmas. Send presents via amazon. Use zoom to do games quizzes and have a drink together. Watch each other open presents on zoom. Put the tv on watch nice films. Ring your lonely relatives and have a long meaningful chat on the phone to them. Turn the music up mega loud and have a boogie with those you live with.

Surely thats good enough?

[arista]

Today 22,915 tested for Covid-19

Patients in hospital
16,409

Patients on ventilation
1,430


Today :501 Deaths

53,775 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Good news about the Oxford vaccine.
Hopefully we get that one soon.

Yes and it can be kept in a Normal Fridge

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[AnnieK]

Greater Manchester rates continuing to drop quite dramatically now. Tier 3 and this lockdown are obviously getting us going in the right direction. Still higher than the National average but definitely going the right way now. Just hope we maintain the downward trend after 2nd December.

[arista]

Yes taken 5 days ago
well done Greater Manchester

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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Greater Manchester rates continuing to drop quite dramatically now. Tier 3 and this lockdown are obviously getting us going in the right direction. Still higher than the National average but definitely going the right way now. Just hope we maintain the downward trend after 2nd December.

Interesting...we’re in Gtr Manchester and haven’t noticed any change in the traffic and I don’t know anyone who’s off work as happened in the first lockdown .


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[arista]

20,252 have tested for Covid-19 today


Patients in hospital
16,444

Patients on ventilation
1,426

Today 511 have died

54,286 Total UK deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[LeatherTrumpet]

cut through the covid hysteria here:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...lmed-by-covid-

[LeatherTrumpet]

btw my smoker mate Jem, 58, overweight, drinks like a fish pal who had covid said his cold last year was far worse

is fine now, small cough for a few days

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

btw my smoker mate Jem, 58, overweight, drinks like a fish pal who had covid said his cold last year was far worse

is fine now, small cough for a few days

Oh well if Jem is fine, them COVID must not be that bad /s

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Oh well if Jem is fine, them COVID must not be that bad /s

its an example what example can you provide from your life?

please share as i id?