[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Denver

So your saying a Kimono which has been a Japanese clothing garment for centuries also belongs to Britain because a few people wanted to be edgy and get them and use them for what its not meant to be used for ?

Simply wearing a kimono in of itself isn't cultural appropriation. Sharing Japanese customs and traditions is actually a big part of Japanese culture, as long as you aren't being disrespectful, most japanese people are glad to share their culture with anyone who wants to partake.

Cultural appropriation is a more complex thing than just wearing clothes, it's about intent and more.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There's not much to "get", you've not reallg said why people shouldn't use things from other cultures?

I could explain for hours, but you'd just reject it because you can't see beyond your own privilege, and I'm not wasting time on a fruitless endeavor.

You don't want to believe that it's a thing and you're perfectly entitled to that ignorance. You can try to misrepresent what it is all you want but it won't change that it's not what you think it is.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Cultural appropriation is a more complex thing than just wearing clothes, it's about intent and more.

I could explain for hours, but you'd just reject it because you can't see beyond your own privilege, and I'm not wasting time on a fruitless endeavor.

You don't want to believe that it's a thing and you're perfectly entitled to that ignorance. You can try to misrepresent what it is all you want but it won't change that it's not what you think it is.

I've never really heard anyone try to actually explain what it is, they just say "profiting off cultures you weren't born into is bad."

Why is it bad? All cultures are there for the taking, so if someone wants to shine a lot on them, why shouldn't they?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I've never really heard anyone try to actually explain what it is, they just say "profiting off cultures you weren't born into is bad."

Why is it bad? All cultures are there for the taking, so if someone wants to shine a lot on them, why shouldn't they?

It's not shining a light on them though, it's co-opting it for profit. You only have to look at history and various examples of colonialisation (and attempts to erase said culture after colonisation) to see why it would be seen as an issue. If you want to understand why cultural appropriation is a thing, you have to be willing to look at history.

Respectfully partaking in different cultures is good, co-opting it for profit while trying to take credit for it is not.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not shining a light on them though, it's co-opting it for profit. You only have to look at history and various examples of colonialisation (and attempts to erase said culture after colonisation) to see why it would be seen as an issue. If you want to understand why cultural appropriation is a thing, you have to be willing to look at history.

Respectfully partaking in different cultures is good, co-opting it for profit while trying to take credit for it is not.

Okay, that's a fair answer, and one won't call wrong or dismiss

But ... I don't happen to agree Someone living today who wants to create something from another culture has nothing to do with imperial wrongs in the past. We are ourselves, not our ancestors.

The imperial past of the Ottoman Empire shouldn't stop a Turkish singer from using Greek music, for example.

[bots]

i hope we all remember this when we prepare our next curry using our special dolmio sauce or are shaping a flat round piece of bread and put some cheese on the top

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Okay, that's a fair answer, and one won't call wrong or dismiss

But ... I don't happen to agree Someone living today who wants to create something from another culture has nothing to do with imperial wrongs in the past. We are ourselves, not our ancestors.

The imperial past of the Ottoman Empire shouldn't stop a Turkish singer from using Greek music, for example.

You're choosing not to see the issue and instead muddying the issue by drawing on examples that simply aren't appropriation to lessen it's impact.

Appreciation and appropriation are two different things.

Katy Perry doing that infamous performance of 'Unconditionally' at that awards show was appropriation of Japanese culture because it was hackneyed and stereotypical and basically derogatory. She also appropriated Egypt in the same era with Dark Horse. She took elements of dress and culture from these two places and profited from it by presenting it as painfully stereotypical as possible.

But ugh, I can't be bothered to waste my time with this. You won't ever get it because you don't want to.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You're choosing not to see the issue and instead muddying the issue by drawing on examples that simply aren't appropriation to lessen it's impact.

Appreciation and appropriation are two different things.

Katy Perry doing that infamous performance of 'Unconditionally' at that awards show was appropriation of Japanese culture because it was hackneyed and stereotypical and basically derogatory. She also appropriated Egypt in the same era with Dark Horse. She took elements of dress and culture from these two places and profited from it by presenting it as painfully stereotypical as possible.

But ugh, I can't be bothered to waste my time with this. You won't ever get it because you don't want to.

There's no impact to lessen, not a single Japanese or Egyptian person was harmed by the things you mention, and there's nothing stopping anyone else from drawing inspiration from those cultures. Just like there's nothing stopping them from mimicking American styles for profit.

[Cherry Christmas]

Fast food has been appropriated from the US has it not?

I don’t get issue, are they claiming they invented jerk sauce...nope