[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Let me guess how it went down...

Fox: blahhblahhblahh culture wars, I keep getting silenced-
Yasmin: SHADDAP! YOU IS WHITE MAN!

I record them
It was a Great show

He Wrote down what she said at one point
as she called him Racist.
But then said sorry, took it back.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

I record them
It was a Great show

He Wrote down what she said at one point
as she called him Racist.
But then said sorry, took it back.

Sounds like a great show

I can see why you record it.

[Toy Soldier]

I think she's right that he finds his privilege "hard", but on balance I think that's actually quite a large part of the problem when seeking to recognise and address privilege.

It's not a sliding scale... you can accept and be aware of the privileges you have whilst also being aware of areas that you don't have privilege and I think she illustrates that quite well by pointing out that she IS aware of her own relative privilege. It can be something that's difficult to see when you don't "feel" particularly privileged, I suppose, or can see the areas where actually your own life is harder than other people - some of whom you supposedly have privilege over.

e.g. it's a tough ask to ask a financially struggling white bloke to recognise that he has white privilege over a wealthy black man, and male privilege over a wealthy white woman, whilst at the same time BOTH of those people have wealth privilege over him... but that is indeed how it works, and these privileges come into play in different ways.

Wealthy Sue doesn't ever have to worry about how she's going to pay for a household repair but Burly Jack is in a panic about a leak in his roof - she has privilege.

Burly Jack can walk down a dark street at midnight feeling totally relaxed and confident whereas Wealthy Sue holds tight to her keys because she's being intimidated by a group of drunk lads - he has privilege.

It's not a sweeping thing that applies across the board, it's entirely situational and that's what people struggle to understand I think.

[Ammi]

...what I found interesting is when Yasmin Alibhai-Brown went in to say that her upbringing was to be ‘racist’ too...as her parentage being African/Asian, I think she said..she was brought up as being ‘a middle’, I think were her words or similar...with ‘white’ above and ‘black’ below and she was brought up to very much feel superiority towards black but the white were superior to her...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...what I found interesting is when Yasmin Alibhai-Brown went in to say that her upbringing was to be ‘racist’ too...as her parentage being African/Asian, I think she said..she was brought up as being ‘a middle’, I think were her words or similar...with ‘white’ above and ‘black’ below and she was brought up to very much feel superiority towards black but the white were superior to her...

Yes of Course her younger years in North Africa
she was brought up as blacks are the lowest.
Uganda Crazy Leader then kicked out all non blacks
including British Asian Passport holders
hence, her arriving in England, back then

[Ammi]

...yeah, I meant to say that her upbringing was in Africa and that her mother had taught her ‘racism’ because of her own views...and her own ‘superiorities’...she was openly admitting a prejudice taught, if you like...that she doesn’t feel anymore but that she was brought up to feel...I kind of think that Laurence missed all of the points of what she was saying in favour of focusing on his own repeated words...

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think she's right that he finds his privilege "hard", but on balance I think that's actually quite a large part of the problem when seeking to recognise and address privilege.

It's not a sliding scale... you can accept and be aware of the privileges you have whilst also being aware of areas that you don't have privilege and I think she illustrates that quite well by pointing out that she IS aware of her own relative privilege. It can be something that's difficult to see when you don't "feel" particularly privileged, I suppose, or can see the areas where actually your own life is harder than other people - some of whom you supposedly have privilege over.

e.g. it's a tough ask to ask a financially struggling white bloke to recognise that he has white privilege over a wealthy black man, and male privilege over a wealthy white woman, whilst at the same time BOTH of those people have wealth privilege over him... but that is indeed how it works, and these privileges come into play in different ways.

Wealthy Sue doesn't ever have to worry about how she's going to pay for a household repair but Burly Jack is in a panic about a leak in his roof - she has privilege.

Burly Jack can walk down a dark street at midnight feeling totally relaxed and confident whereas Wealthy Sue holds tight to her keys because she's being intimidated by a group of drunk lads - he has privilege.

It's not a sweeping thing that applies across the board, it's entirely situational and that's what people struggle to understand I think.

Laurence is a white privileged, whom should have no place in politics

he should just keep his mouth shut, and be banned from twitter, same as his racist troll colleague Katie Hopkins already had been rightfully banned

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Burly Jack can walk down a dark street at midnight feeling totally relaxed and confident whereas Wealthy Sue holds tight to her keys because she's being intimidated by a group of drunk lads - he has privilege.

I can't find a source for this (Google on phone!) but aren't men more likely to be beaten up than women are to be raped? So really she should be the confident one.

Unless Burly Jack really is very burly indeed ... got any pics?

[arista]

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I can't find a source for this (Google on phone!) but aren't men more likely to be beaten up than women are to be raped? So really she should be the confident one.

Unless Burly Jack really is very burly indeed ... got any pics?

I don't think there's any sources that could ever attest to that. Common sense dictates that women are more likely to get attacked though, we know sexual assaults are common and that many of them go unreported.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't think there's any sources that could ever attest to that. Common sense dictates that women are more likely to get attacked though, we know sexual assaults are common and that many of them go unreported.

Did some digging since getting home:

Research shows men more likely to be the victims of violent attacks by strangers

According to research issued this month by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare men are more likely to be attacked by random strangers than women.

Newcastle City crime manager Detective Inspector Scott Parker said the rate of females being randomly attacked in public was low.

“But even one incident, is one too many,” said Inspector Parker.

The research found more than one in three assaults on males which resulted in hospitalisation in 2014-15, where the attacker was specified, were perpetrated by strangers. This compared to about one in 14 for females.

For most women following police safety advice that typically follows high-profile random attacks does not mean changing their behaviour.

Being vigilant and aware of surroundings, particularly at night, is something most women already do.

According to Inspector Parker, if out alone females should always carry a charged mobile phone, but he warned some social media platforms allowed tracking of users’ movements.

“Be aware of your security settings on social media and who you permit to know your movements,” he said.

“Ensure people you trust and friends know your planned movements, where relevant.”

Always look out for friends, particularly if they have been drinking, and travel in groups where possible using busy transport hubs with CCTV and good lighting.
https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/s...-one-too-many/

[Toy Soldier]

It's not really about the actual numbers, the likelihood of being randomly attacked at all isn't very high, the point is FEELING safe vs not. Women are much more likely to feel intimidated and vulnerable in certain situations.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think she's right that he finds his privilege "hard", but on balance I think that's actually quite a large part of the problem when seeking to recognise and address privilege.

It's not a sliding scale... you can accept and be aware of the privileges you have whilst also being aware of areas that you don't have privilege and I think she illustrates that quite well by pointing out that she IS aware of her own relative privilege. It can be something that's difficult to see when you don't "feel" particularly privileged, I suppose, or can see the areas where actually your own life is harder than other people - some of whom you supposedly have privilege over.

e.g. it's a tough ask to ask a financially struggling white bloke to recognise that he has white privilege over a wealthy black man, and male privilege over a wealthy white woman, whilst at the same time BOTH of those people have wealth privilege over him... but that is indeed how it works, and these privileges come into play in different ways.

Wealthy Sue doesn't ever have to worry about how she's going to pay for a household repair but Burly Jack is in a panic about a leak in his roof - she has privilege.

Burly Jack can walk down a dark street at midnight feeling totally relaxed and confident whereas Wealthy Sue holds tight to her keys because she's being intimidated by a group of drunk lads - he has privilege.

It's not a sweeping thing that applies across the board, it's entirely situational and that's what people struggle to understand I think.

I agree with some of your terms in relation to black and white men but that's it, privilege in this context that YAB refers to relate's to a whole life lived experience, not just privilege on the basis of physical strength or financial stability. Those privileges are situational rather than fundamental.

[Ammi]

...when Yasmin started to speak of ‘privilege’...?..she was speaking of the ‘privilege’ of those who are able be who they are and not feel prejudice for that...well, not just prejudice but that some receive actual hate for who they are...she said that she had received death threats...not for anything she said or anything she did etc...(...and death threats would always be wrong, always obviously...)...she said those hostile feelings of hate were aimed at her because she was female and she was Muslim and she was an immigrant...and that had been apparent because of the content of the threats and the content of the hate...what she was trying to explain...?..is that Laurence as a ‘white actor or white person from the Fox family and doing his acting etc...’....was privileged because he could be who he was/what he was and didn’t receive hate for it...I mean, whether people gave him bad reviews for his acting or whatever...whether they liked him or not on their screens ...he would be being judged by a performance basically...and that’s perfectly understandable, isn’t it...he’d never been judged in his life in the same ways...because he isn’t female and he isn’t Muslim and he isn’t an immigrant, so how could he have...

...anyways, Laurence just deflected completely...so maybe, Kizzy...he should be a politician, ooops...and said...’well I've had death threats..’...and that’s completely wrong that he’s had them, that should never be for anyone...but he hasn’t had any in the same context...he hasn’t had them for just being...’Laurence Fox, the White actor, born into the Fox family’...?...and that’s what she was describing ‘privilege’ as because so many of us have that privilege, don’t we...when he talks about ‘pride in who he is’ ...Yasmin wasn’t ever made to feel any pride in who she is...a female Muslim immigrant, she was threatened death directly because of those things ....he just didn’t get it at all and didn’t listen or absorb anything she said...it was really so sad to see that kind of ‘privileged ignorance’ that he displayed...

[Kizzy]

Yes, but those blinkered ignorant views are very popular at the moment. He's seen the niche, the void to be filled as the other fringe right wing agitator parties are strangely quiet at the moment... not that I'm missing Tommy at all but you would've thought all this would be right up his alley. Where is he?

[Ammi]

...did he go to Spain to live, I think he might have done...

[arista]

Last week
He even got a chance to survey the field.

[arista]

Laurence Fox launches new
party to fight ‘WAR ON WOKE’ – ‘We’re not on our own side!’


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...ves-Matter-ont


Sign Of The Times.

[Kizzy]

Another right wing motormouth... woke is the new pc, just a way of disparaging anything that might be described as left wing.
He's some actor that was in a crime drama 10yrs ago, why has he been given such a huge media platform?

To aid in the war on progressives.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Another right wing motormouth... woke is the new pc, just a way of disparaging anything that might be described as left wing.
He's some actor that was in a crime drama 10yrs ago, why has he been given such a huge media platform?

To aid in the war on progressives.

he was married to Billie Piper which is probably his main claim to fame

[Tom4784]

It's pretty easy to create a career doing **** like this, the right wing are gullible enough to lift up anyone who will tell them what they want to hear.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's pretty easy to create a career doing **** like this, the right wing are gullible enough to lift up anyone who will tell them what they want to hear.

For sure
he has a large following now


His Party Link
https://twitter.com/thereclaimparty

[arista]

[The Slim Reaper]

[Scarlett.]

I miss when I just knew him as Lewis' assistant