[Ammi]

... addressing racism and discrimination in sport, isn’t that what Kick it Out stand for and strive for..?..there are obviously some football fans who don’t have that belief, but to actually take actions in booing that support of equality is just difficult to find any type of defence for or understanding of... when there was this same type effect toxicity in the Labour Party with anti semitism accusations, there were no boos for anyone speaking out about it...and I don’t understand why this would be any different or thought of in any different way to that...it’s a discriminative mindset that is marring the sport and has no place ...any stand or knee taken against it should have nothing but applause.../......support...

[arista]

Many of that Crowd
would see it as a BLM Political Group gesture.


But Sure some could also be racist.

[Zizu]

Surely they can identify the culprits from yesterday with so few attending ?


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

They’ve tolerated all kinds of nonsense/abuse from their fellow fans for over 20 years.. maybe it’s time they did something about the problem themselves..

Presumably the ‘bad uns’ all have family , friends or work colleagues who go to the games and never cause any problems


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Oh fans going to Football games should definitely be reporting racism when they see it happen a lot more often than they do imo.

It's just I'm never a fan of collective punishment, I've said it when we had people like Gary Neville and Alan Shearer encouraging this logic when one Blues fan attacked Jack Grealish a couple of seasons ago, and I'll defend Millwall and the innocent fans that didn't boo in this incident. Punish the individual/individuals in these incidents, don't punish everyone involved with the club.

[Brother Leon]

Taking a knee never started as. BLM thing. The idiots here are starting to sound like the American ones who tried twist it into disrespecting the flag.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Oh fans going to Football games should definitely be reporting racism when they see it happen a lot more often than they do imo.



It's just I'm never a fan of collective punishment, I've said it when we had people like Gary Neville and Alan Shearer encouraging this logic when one Blues fan attacked Jack Grealish a couple of seasons ago, and I'll defend Millwall and the innocent fans that didn't boo in this incident. Punish the individual/individuals in these incidents, don't punish everyone involved with the club.

Well with so few attending the club can easily identify the culprits.. let’s see if they bother ..




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[Alf]

I join the Millwall fans in booing.

Booo!

I can show you hundreds of Black lives that don't matter to the Black Lives Matter cult. Which makes them a scam.

[Alf]

Isn't this Sasha Johnson lady the leader of Black Lives Matter UK?

I mean, Jeremy Corbyn was quite extreme, but this political party leader is something else.

This is who and what you're supporting. I'm sure you're very proud of yourselves?

[arista]

The Next Millwall Match
will also have the Players on their Knee.


Confirmed: GMBHD itv.



BLM UK are Troublemakers
they have nothing positive to give the UK

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Shaun

can we just stick to one topic of discussion rather than turn this into another snowball of "grrrr!!! BLM!!!!" ire? especially when the OP is about a gesture displayed by Kick It Out and No Room For Racism, and originally comes from Colin Kaepernick - independently of BLM?

Because the whole conversation is just muddled and nobody who's criticising the kneel seems to know who tf they're even criticising. Unless it's all anti-racist organisations, in which case... they're probably racist

Originally Posted by arista

No
BLM Political is Trouble.

...you just keep repeating the same thing, Arista...’BLM are troublemakers’ are your thoughts ...but BLM has no bearing on this whatsoever...to boo a gesture that represents anti racism is just unfathomable as to why that would be done...for those who don’t wish to join the gesture, then that’s their prerogative...but to actually take the action of booing is to boo equality and anti discrimination in sport...

[arista]

[BLM has no bearing on this whatsoever...to boo a gesture
that represents anti racism]

Please Note Ammi
I am talking about BLM Political group.


Black Lives Matter has increased racial tension, 55% say in UK poll
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...say-in-uk-poll


[The secretive British branch of Black Lives Matter
lost me before some of its supporters
started attacking statues,
including the iconic figure of
Churchill in Parliament Square,
and attempting to burn the Union flag on the Cenotoph.
Even before its followers proclaimed
on the Web that the movement’s true aim was,
among other, things to “dismantle capitalism”
and “abolish the police”.
It was the very title Black Lives Matter that put me off.]


https://www.thearticle.com/my-proble...k-lives-matter

[Ammi]

...please note, Arista...taking the knee, which was being booed by some Millwall fans, has no attachment to the BLM movement at all...it was an expression of support which was established by Kick it Out, to kick racism out of sport...you’re persistently and determinedly diverting away from the anti-racist support that was being shown and that was being booed as something negative...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...please note, Arista...taking the knee, which was being booed by some Millwall fans, has no attachment to the BLM movement at all...it was an expression of support which was established by Kick it Out, to kick racism out of sport...you’re persistently and determinedly diverting away from the anti-racist support that was being shown and that was being booed as something negative...

Its Owned
by BLM USA Political Group.
And BLM UK Political Group

So any that take a Knee
are viewed by millions
as being POLITICAL.

That is now a Fact

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Its Owned
by BLM USA Political Group.
And BLM UK Political Group

So any that take a Knee
are viewed by millions
as being POLITICAL.

That is now a Fact

...it’s a fact that it’s being incorrectly attached to BLM by you, Arista ...and no use of capital letters is going to change that ..but you’re obviously determined to continue that inaccuracy so I’ll leave you to your day...

[Ammi]

...just continuing with this as you are, completely avoids looking at a racism which obviously still exists in sport and seems content to avoid that it does...and this was an opportunity to discuss it...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s a fact that it’s being incorrectly attached to BLM by you, Arista ...and no use of capital letters is going to change that ..but you’re obviously determined to continue that inaccuracy so I’ll leave you to your day...

You are wrong
BLM Political UK are not wanted

[Toy Soldier]

I really don't think it's as simple as them all being racists to be honest, I think it has more to do with them feeling "pushed into politics" no matter how hard they try to run away from it. No of course the reality is that Jo one can run from politics, we're all swimming in a big ol' soup of it ever day, and many of us embrace that for the purposes of rousing debate and have done for many years... But your average pie-munching footie fan? He's been living (he believes) a peaceful life free from having to think about all this politics stuff for a large chunk of his life. So, now he's mad that he's being "FORCED" to think about it on a Saturday afternoon "as well as every weekday in the papers".

I get it to an extent, in some cases we're expecting people who have never had to put their brain in anything over 2nd gear to suddenly start contemplating and empathising with a whole bunch of abstract reasoning and critical thought. It probably literally hurts. Many simply won't be able to do it. They don't understand what they're seeing, they don't like how it feels, they know it isn't about them so they worry that it might somehow be against them - that's part of tribalism and that's why they're booing.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s a fact that it’s being incorrectly attached to BLM by you, Arista ...and no use of capital letters is going to change that ..but you’re obviously determined to continue that inaccuracy so I’ll leave you to your day...

I disagree Ammi, it has been incorrectly semantically attached to BLM in the general public consciousness and that is what it is; pointing out that the link is incorrect changes nothing. They are linked, because they are linked... Perception is all that matters there. So, Arista is right to point out that people having a problem with the knee-taking symbolism is linked to their problems with BLM in general.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s a fact that it’s being incorrectly attached to BLM by you, Arista ...and no use of capital letters is going to change that ..but you’re obviously determined to continue that inaccuracy so I’ll leave you to your day...

You are right all through again Ammi.

I find it incredible there's any defence of those who booed, or any attempt to dress up their ignorant reaction to the players of BOTH teams.
Indeed wider, all teams, as across the leagues, this is done.

To publicly boo and be disrespectful the way these individuals CHOSE to.
Shows disrespect to their team and club.
They should be identified and not permitted entry again.

It wasn't just showing disrespect to the Millwall team that they brought about, it was to ALL the players of all teams who make this gesture every week.
To show their hope to help highlight and remove racism from football.

To boo that, well some may try to dress it up and call it for other reasons.
However it's more than likely a little more sinister than that I'm afraid.

[Ammi]

...I understand and realise why you disagree, TS...but I disagree with your disagreement.....and I’m just going to leave the non agreement place we’re at, there...if every stance against racism is ‘oh BLM and we don’t wish to give time to that’...then no discussions will ever branch and expand out beyond that starting point to address or challenge racism in any aspect of our society...(...and specific mindsets appear to be more persistently reoccurring in some areas even in 2020, so it’s beneficial to discuss that, to try to look at minimising/...preventing etc...)...I mean, that was why Kick it Out was formed...’well, BLM...well, BLM....well, BLM..’...etc etc ...is the most deliberate disabling and preventing diversion of discussing specifics in racism which have been brought up by the topic...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well with so few attending the club can easily identify the culprits.. let’s see if they bother ..




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Hopefully they'll identify the troublemakers and improve their image a little bit.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...please note, Arista...taking the knee, which was being booed by some Millwall fans, has no attachment to the BLM movement at all...it was an expression of support which was established by Kick it Out, to kick racism out of sport...you’re persistently and determinedly diverting away from the anti-racist support that was being shown and that was being booed as something negative...

Rubbish!

Read the second paragraph of this statement and then tell us again whom they were taking a knee for.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s a fact that it’s being incorrectly attached to BLM by you, Arista ...and no use of capital letters is going to change that ..but you’re obviously determined to continue that inaccuracy so I’ll leave you to your day...

No! Arista is not in the wrong, you are!

[Alf]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

No! Arista is not in the wrong, you are!

Also just now on Times Radio DAB Live

Trevor Phillips agree's BLM Political
need to say want they want.
He is well experienced Race Relations