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That Photo was 2 months ago.
he said Live on GMBHD itv.

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At last Live GMBHD itv
Piers is having a go at the Gov Minister Live

Jenrick MP

[Alf]

Nothing is going to change next year, the vaccine won't change more lockdowns and other restrictions from happening.

It ends when the people have had enough, as long as the people keep complying with orders from politicians, then it continues.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

At last Live GMBHD itv
Piers is having a go at the Gov Minister Live

Jenrick MP

Jenrick is always evasive.
I've yet to see him perform convincingly.

He just fills me with more distrust with near most of the words he says.

It's really sad at a time when we need the fullest clarity and more important truth, at this uncertain and still worrying time.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Jenrick is always evasive.

I've yet to see him perform convincingly.



He just fills me with more distrust with near most of the words he says.



It's really sad at a time when we need the fullest clarity and more important truth, at this uncertain and still worrying time.

You’ve just described every politician EVER ...


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[arista]

Yes Joey
Jenrick said his own 80 year parents
will not see them.

But the rest of the UK - Its up to you?


The Dutch and Germans
had the sense to Stop people mixing on the 5 days

So Our Death Total will go way up
in 8 weeks or so.

[Kazanne]

I'm sorry for me its simple IF you feel threatened by this virus ,stay safe and follow the rules as much as possible ,if you don't , at least wear a mask and distance wherever possible, its not going away anytime soon, just be sensible, no one has the answers so shouting at ministers will not solve anything, they do know more than us ,but they don't have the solution, and none of us will agree with everything that's asked of us, some hate anything Tories do or say, others just hate Brexit being done, others just think they are invincible.So many conflicting opinions ,just stay as safe as possible .Most people will do as they want anyway.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm sorry for me its simple IF you feel threatened by this virus ,stay safe and follow the rules as much as possible ,if you don't , at least wear a mask and distance wherever possible, its not going away anytime soon, just be sensible, no one has the answers so shouting at ministers will not solve anything, they do know more than us ,but they don't have the solution, and none of us will agree with everything that's asked of us, some hate anything Tories do or say, others just hate Brexit being done, others just think they are invincible.So many conflicting opinions ,just stay as safe as possible .Most people will do as they want anyway.

Excellent post !!!!!


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[arista]

Only a short edit

[arista]

Kaz

Some people need instructions
and these are wrong

3 Families,
one can have Covid
they all get it.

Crazy


European Nations have the sense to stop mixing over the holiday.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: some stores can remain open here such Wibra, Action, Hema, they are not supermarkets but they are 'essential' enough, as long as people wear masks all the time, and socially distance as much as they can, if they fail to stick by these rules, they must still close


our christmas/new year treats will still be sold, outdoors, the ''Oliebollen'' they are of course a essential food for festive holidays and a dutch tradition


the outdoor markets here, some can remain open as long as the organizers acquire enough quicktest kits first of all, if ur not tested u won't enter the market

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

Kaz

Some people need instructions
and these are wrong

3 Families,
one can have Covid
they all get it.

Crazy


European Nations have the sense to stop mixing over the holiday.

yes no more people coming over, but christmas isn't cancelled, you can celebrate holidays with those who live with you

those who normally visit you, can now contact you via facetime, skype

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm sorry for me its simple IF you feel threatened by this virus ,stay safe and follow the rules as much as possible ,if you don't , at least wear a mask and distance wherever possible, its not going away anytime soon, just be sensible, no one has the answers so shouting at ministers will not solve anything, they do know more than us ,but they don't have the solution, and none of us will agree with everything that's asked of us, some hate anything Tories do or say, others just hate Brexit being done, others just think they are invincible.So many conflicting opinions ,just stay as safe as possible .Most people will do as they want anyway.

You've just said a real fact.

That Ministers DO know more than us.
They do because the government has all the data.

I've ensured me and mine with me, I can't those who live elsewhere have been kept safe.
Despite the contradictory and at times vague advice from the government.

I find the rulings confusing, as do so many others.

So I'm not going to let off the hook the people who DO as you even say, know more than us
They have all the data, they have the scientific and health advice.

They, no matter who is in power have a duty to ensure we know ALL there is to know.
Plus the possible dangers of relaxing too much over this festive period.

I'm still stuck that a Minister couldn't answer the point to him, as to 3 households,does that now mean the ruling of 6 is out the window.
Those 3 households over Christmas can now mix indoors.
Whether those 3 households involve 2 other households of each 2 to 3 other people.
Or if it's a family of 5 or 6 from the other households still able to be indoors..
There's a massive difference of 4 to 6 extra people as opposed to 12 more indoors.

Can you answer that??.

Because your government Ministers won't.

Not that they can't, because they know likely there will be consequences from it in the new year.
They know because they yes, DO know more than us and all there is to know too.

Which WE all should be told.
It was a ridiculously irresponsible thing to do with even the tier systems still in place to even bring in a 5 day relaxation period.
Irresponsible and dangerous.

Only one set of people to blame for that,the present government, it's Ministers particularly.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

Kaz

Some people need instructions
and these are wrong

3 Families,
one can have Covid
they all get it.

Crazy


European Nations have the sense to stop mixing over the holiday.

Well surely people know the risks ,so don't mix if that's how they feel, maybe people in this country should follow the Europens if that's working IF we were ordered to not mix ,people would say they wont be dictated to,so it's a no win situation. IF people are nervy about it,don't do it.

[Nicky91]

Germany in the lockdown, i have a online friend who lives there

she told me despite going in the full lockdown, she hasn't seen anyone NOT wearing a mask


even the barbers over there, perfectly by the rules with every required PPE, plastic face covering against virus cells + face mask, so even extra safe


and most corona hotspots in Germany are in the south and southwest, when you look further north, the lesser cases, so i believe their lockdown is more out of prevention to stop it from getting any worse than it is now


only place down south which has lesser cases is Wurzburg

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You've just said a real fact.

That Ministers DO know more than us.
They do because the government has all the data.

I've ensured me and mine with me, I can't those who live elsewhere have been kept safe.
Despite the contradictory and at times vague advice from the government.

I find the rulings confusing, as do so many others.

So I'm not going to let off the hook the people who DO as you even say, know more than us
They have all the data, they have the scientific and health advice.

They, no matter who is in power have a duty to ensure we know ALL there is to know.
Plus the possible dangers of relaxing too much over this festive period.

I'm still stuck that a Minister couldn't answer the point to him, as to 3 households,does that now mean the ruling of 6 is out the window.
Those 3 households over Christmas can now mix indoors.
Whether those 3 households involve 2 other households of each 2 to 3 other people.
Or if it's a family of 5 or 6 from the other households still able to be indoors..
There's a massive difference of 4 to 6 extra people as opposed to 12 more indoors.

Can you answer that??.

Because your government Ministers won't.

Not that they can't, because they know likely there will be consequences from it in the new year.
They know because they yes, DO know more than us and all there is to know too.

Which WE all should be told.
It was a ridiculously irresponsible thing to do with even the tier systems still in place to even bring in a 5 day relaxation period.
Irresponsible and dangerous.

Only one set of people to blame for that,the present government, it's Ministers particularly.

Right Joey I know we disagree on this a lot,but I respect your opinion,but tell me this ? What would ANY government gain by pissing half the country off ? they are doing what they think is right , the same as we think we know what's right,we just have to use common sense here, If we were told we were not allowed to meet,do you think people would comply ? I don't,so give people the choice but still be careful, NO solution is available at this time, so just be careful

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm sorry for me its simple IF you feel threatened by this virus ,stay safe and follow the rules as much as possible ,if you don't , at least wear a mask and distance wherever possible, its not going away anytime soon, just be sensible, no one has the answers so shouting at ministers will not solve anything, they do know more than us ,but they don't have the solution, and none of us will agree with everything that's asked of us, some hate anything Tories do or say, others just hate Brexit being done, others just think they are invincible.So many conflicting opinions ,just stay as safe as possible .Most people will do as they want anyway.

That’s it in a nutshell Kaz.
There will be those that use their common sense, have a family Christmas but are still very careful and there will be those idiots that will do what they want whenever they want with no thought for others.