[bitontheslide]

my area was way under the national average until we came out of lockdown and were placed in tier 3. Now, our rate is 4 times the national average at 600 ... it is only schools being open that could have done that so quickly

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Burnham taking on Johnson first time round means we will languish in Tier 3 for as long as possible, no matter what our numbers look like

listening to it, I think some areas should have dropped down for sure

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

listening to it, I think some areas should have dropped down for sure

It is what it is, I guess. I think they are being overly cautious due to the Christmas relaxation. It doesn't make any difference to me but some hospitality businesses were praying for it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

It is what it is, I guess. I think they are being overly cautious due to the Christmas relaxation. It doesn't make any difference to me but some hospitality businesses were praying for it.

feel for hospitality as they are bearing the brunt

apparently the trains to Liverpool are full every weekend

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

feel for hospitality as they are bearing the brunt

apparently the trains to Liverpool are full every weekend

Where my son's school is you can drive 5 minutes up the road and be in Tier 2. All the parent's are going after school tomorrow for food and drinks (not me, I'm not risking it now)

My friends work booked hotels in Warrington for their Christmas do (Tier 2), they all had scotch egg starters and got drunk

People will do whatever they want

[arista]

Rishi Sunak
has added an extra Month onto Government Payouts
So it will now run to the End of April

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

12.844 new cases (6.000 of which who were earlier not counted due to a error in the computer system of RIVM)

221 new hospitalisations (2.003 in total)

38 new ICU patients (536 in total)

[Ammi]

Secondary school pupils to have staggered return in first week of January...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/secondary-...132644362.html

[Nicky91]

predictions by CDC for US by January 9th

[LeatherTrumpet]

Covid-19 in Proportion?

The UK Government has taken drastic actions to deal with Covid-19, but are these actions and fears in proportion to the reality?

Levels of mortality in 2019/2020 are very similar to those suffered in 1999/2000.

Quarantines and draconian interventions were not justified then and as millions of jobs are lost from the economy due to the lockdown, we must ask whether they are now?



In the following chart we can see that, in terms of overall mortality, 2019/2020 has been very ordinary for the under 45s: there has been no excess mortality at all for this age group[



If we compare Covid with 2017/2018, a recent season with high levels of flu/respiratory mortality we can note that:

Overall we are about four weeks worse than the mortality count for 2017/2018

Lockdown has had a minimal if any impact on in flu/respiratory deaths. If you look carefully you can see a slight dip in numbers to reflect delays to death registrations at Christmas. You might think that the lockdown would also have had a noticeable impact on the flu/respiratory data but it does not.

A closer look at the data will reveal that Covid infection rates were already declining before the lockdown which suggests that lockdown did not slow Covid infections either.





more stats here: https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/

[bitontheslide]

The issue is in the danger of hospitals being overwhelmed. We are painfully close to hospitals not being able to cope. Statistics for previous years are irrelevant in that context because hospitals have never been under such sustained pressure

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The issue is in the danger of hospitals being overwhelmed. We are painfully close to hospitals not being able to cope. Statistics for previous years are irrelevant in that context because hospitals have never been under such sustained pressure

didnt we have all this last year in wales and in england with hospitals in crisis and a national emergency called?

[LeatherTrumpet]

We cannot go on like this. That is the substance of a letter from A&E consultants to the Welsh government to draw attention to the huge crisis in Welsh hospitals this winter.

"We have neither sufficient staff nor sufficient beds (in either acute hospitals or the community) to cope with the needs of an ageing population.

"We're on our knees as far as emergency care [is concerned]. There's good evidence that if patients are seen in emergency departments which are crowded, that are full, their treatment is delayed.

"That can actually cause an increase in the length of stay, it can make their illness more severe and in some cases it can cause death, so for safety and patient care we're very, very worried."

While the NHS in England is run by the Tories, the NHS in Wales is run by Welsh Labour. The two things that the health service in both countries have in common is that there are huge crises in hospital provision this winter and they are both chronically under-resourced.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Covid-19 in Proportion?



The UK Government has taken drastic actions to deal with Covid-19, but are these actions and fears in proportion to the reality?



Levels of mortality in 2019/2020 are very similar to those suffered in 1999/2000.



Quarantines and draconian interventions were not justified then and as millions of jobs are lost from the economy due to the lockdown, we must ask whether they are now?







In the following chart we can see that, in terms of overall mortality, 2019/2020 has been very ordinary for the under 45s: there has been no excess mortality at all for this age group[







If we compare Covid with 2017/2018, a recent season with high levels of flu/respiratory mortality we can note that:



Overall we are about four weeks worse than the mortality count for 2017/2018



Lockdown has had a minimal if any impact on in flu/respiratory deaths. If you look carefully you can see a slight dip in numbers to reflect delays to death registrations at Christmas. You might think that the lockdown would also have had a noticeable impact on the flu/respiratory data but it does not.



A closer look at the data will reveal that Covid infection rates were already declining before the lockdown which suggests that lockdown did not slow Covid infections either.











more stats here: https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/

Did we have all these thousands on ventilators though week after week after week ??


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[Ammi]

UK extends furlough scheme until April as more of England enters Tier 3...

https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/fu...144334726.html

[arista]

Northern Ireland is thinking of doing a long Lockdown
right after Xmas to end in Feb.

They are going to press later if they are doing that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by arista

Rishi Sunak
has added an extra Month onto Government Payouts
So it will now run to the End of April

Ammi you missed me post.
I bet its due to the Large posts blocking it.

[arista]

[The number of new UK cases reported on 17 December 2020
includes around 11,000 previously unreported cases
for Wales as a result of system maintenance
in the NHS Wales Laboratory Information Management System.]

Today 532 have died

66,052 Total UK deaths

35,383 today tested for Covid-19 in the UK

Patients in hospital
18,009

Patients on ventilation
1,340


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

[The number of new UK cases reported on 17 December 2020
includes around 11,000 previously unreported cases
for Wales as a result of system maintenance
in the NHS Wales Laboratory Information Management System.]

Today 532 have died

66,052 Total UK deaths

35,383 today tested for Covid-19 in the UK

Patients in hospital
18,009

Patients on ventilation
1,340


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

According to TalkSport radio that 35,000 infections figure includes 11,000 from Wales that were missed from last week in a computer glitch ...Seems like an odd thing to do with the ‘daily’ update though ?!?!?


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Rishi Sunak
has added an extra Month onto Government Payouts
So it will now run to the End of April

Why add the extra month now in all this turmoil.. why not wait until Jan/ Feb to mention it ??


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[arista]

[Josy]

6 week lockdown for Northern Ireland from boxing day.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Josy

6 week lockdown for Northern Ireland from boxing day.

Attachment 5103

COVID-19: Northern Ireland to enter six-week lockdown on Boxing Day

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...tands-12165527

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Josy

6 week lockdown for Northern Ireland from boxing day.

Attachment 5103

Good luck with that over the New Years Eve / day period ..


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[arista]