[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Weeerrrllll the divisive BS certainly didn't start with Trump/Bojo/Corbyn etc. and politics will always be divisive, but I do hope we're starting to come to the end of this era where the divisiveness is rooted in anti-intellectualism and politicians prancing around social media like pantomime showponies. That's what I'm sick of. Sneering arseholes either being, or at least acting, ****ing thick.

Oh sure, I don't expect all sides to start agreeing anytime soon! But all three seemed to bring out more divisiveness than before, and all could be accused of dabbling in "personality politics".

You mentioned social media, and I think all three roughly coincide with social media gaining prominence? So who knows, maybe this will be the norm now, for as long as social media is such a part of people's lives...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The only people who have mentioned Corbyn oddly enough in this thread are or were Labour supporters

The UK is broken up in all but name and funding and is run by 4 different parties in my view anyway

Yes I was a labour supporter and still was in the Corbyn days, but I'm not a fan of starmer but I can't stand Boris or the Tories in general !.

[The Slim Reaper]

Corbyn called for us to follow what NZ and Aus were doing, and their lives are pretty much back to normal. Boris was talking about keeping businesses open throughout and letting it spread. So there's that...

[The Slim Reaper]

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Corbyn called for us to follow what NZ and Aus were doing, and their lives are pretty much back to normal. Boris was talking about keeping businesses open throughout and letting it spread. So there's that...

New Zealand got very strict regulations yes, that got Ardern re-elected too for doing the right things against covid-19


Australia, well their christmas is in summer, so people can spend it outdoors

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The new strain wasnt about then, I would wager they know more about it than we do.

The only reason there was a new strain because this virus was still ramping the country across the ****ing winter

[Samm]

"he's only human" might of worked back in bloody march when this thing was all new, now there's no ****ing excuse of how many times this government has messed up since then.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

One of those tweets was giving a personal opinion and one was giving orders. I'm guessing you preferred the one that was giving orders?

[Beso]

Only an idiot would have been planning on a "proper" xmas anyway .

Risking my mothers health has not something I've considered since the start of december.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Only an idiot would have been planning on a "proper" xmas anyway .

Risking my mothers health has not something I've considered since the start of december.

I took my dad his Christmas presents today, he's doing the whole distancing stuff and where I'd usually go in his house, this time I stayed outside.

My Mother doesn't really care too much about it and we go in and out of each others house as we normally do.

I think I need to explain there that my Father and Mother are no longer together.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The only people who have mentioned Corbyn oddly enough in this thread are or were Labour supporters

The UK is broken up in all but name and funding and is run by 4 different parties in my view anyway

Because I hear it all the time in real life, people are always like 'well things would be worse under Corbyn!' like he's a relevant response to how badly Boris is ****ing up.

It's boring. I'm just bored of Tory supporters.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

All we know GoldHeart is what the press and media convey what they want to us ,personally i think it would be political suicide to ignore advice and warnings ,also businesses have to keep afloat as if the economy goes down ,more people will suffer . its swings and roundabouts and yes mistakes have been made, but as long as we learn from them that's good, he is only human at the end of the day he wouldnt deliberately be making things hard for himself or the country, thats my opinion anyway,but anyway stay safe.

All you're telling me though Kazanne with all due respect is that Boris isn't really cut out for the job as his accidentally making loads of mistakes.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because I hear it all the time in real life, people are always like 'well things would be worse under Corbyn!' like he's a relevant response to how badly Boris is ****ing up.

It's boring. I'm just bored of Tory supporters.

If you’re bored by ‘tories supporters’ maybe talking about the tories every waking second doesn’t help as you’re likely to attract that conversation?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because I hear it all the time in real life, people are always like 'well things would be worse under Corbyn!' like he's a relevant response to how badly Boris is ****ing up.

It's boring. I'm just bored of Tory supporters.

Must be marvelous to be talking to people in real life long enough to have a political debate...do you live in australia/new Zealand?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Alf

I took my dad his Christmas presents today, he's doing the whole distancing stuff and where I'd usually go in his house, this time I stayed outside.

My Mother doesn't really care too much about it and we go in and out of each others house as we normally do.

I think I need to explain there that my Father and Mother are no longer together.

Trust yourself and the people around you.
That's my xmas motto.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yes I was a labour supporter and still was in the Corbyn days, but I'm not a fan of starmer but I can't stand Boris or the Tories in general !.

And there is the answer to all the negativity, whatever they do will be wrong for some.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

And there is the answer to all the negativity, whatever they do will be wrong for some.

Is this any surprise to anyone when everything they have done has been wrong thus far.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Is this any surprise to anyone when everything they have done has been wrong thus far.

Indeed you're correct there.

Plus by the same token, to some too, no matter what this PM and government and PM do will always be right to them.


I've lost count of the times I've stated, no matter who was PM and the government, if they'd failed and dangerously played with the lives of people like this lot have.
I'd be as scathing against them as I am against this hopeless crowd in now.

All we hear on here at times, is blame the media, blame the opposition's, blame the EU remainers, blame political stances of people.
However DON'T blame those actually making the decisions,Johnson and his Cabinet.
Because some blindly turn away from any wrongs they do and from a hard-line stance, support this shower in government, no matter what they say and do.

Had Labour won a year ago, or we'd had a coalition and all this failure and wrongs been done by them, I'd be just about done totally with them.

Blind support of any Party is a sad and dangerous road in my view.

Johnson is hopeless, he should never have been PM, this crisis has exposed all the worst about him, his choices of Ministers and how he runs his government too.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Had Labour won a year ago, or we'd had a coalition and all this failure and wrongs been done by them, I'd be just about done totally with them.

Blind support of any Party is a sad and dangerous road in my view.

Fully agree, and I feel like Labour have also made many wrong moves through this pandemic. Such as abstaining in votes and failing to provide full opposition at crucial times. They've also advocated schools staying open and being re-opened at the earliest opportunity in January.

Both parties are letting the country down, although Tories FAR more so.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Fully agree, and I feel like Labour have also made many wrong moves through this pandemic. Such as abstaining in votes and failing to provide full opposition at crucial times. They've also advocated schools staying open and being re-opened at the earliest opportunity in January.

Both parties are letting the country down, although Tories FAR more so.

I agree with all that.
I didn't really agree with schools opening fully the way they have been too.

I rarely agree with abstentions in parliament too.
I think it sends a weak message.
Which Johnson was able to capitalise on.

Mind you, he'd have got a shock had Labour and the SNP voted against his plans..
As they'd have been likely defeated.

Of course on the being fair side, one Party has all the data, analysis, scientific and health advice.
To help make decisions on.
The other Party hasn't, in fact all other Parties haven't.

[Tom4784]

Blind loyalty is for sheep and the gullible. People who are being **** on by Boris yet still cheer him on deserve no sympathy. They should only be laughed at for playing the role of the fool gladly.

Boris has been a disaster, he had done absolutely nothing right, with the only good decisions being made possible by Rishi Sunak. He knew about how badly things would get with Covid months before and did nothing, he knew about the new strain of Covid in September and did nothing, he has screwed the pooch on Brexit and has potentially left us with supply shortages and yet people will support him just because they forget they are people with a voice and not his ****ing lapdogs.

Boris has ****ed everything up, be mad, be angry that someone who you gave your trust to has ****ed you over. Don't make excuses for incompetence just because the incompetent fool in question wears blue.

I just can't with Tory voters, I can't.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

If you’re bored by ‘tories supporters’ maybe talking about the tories every waking second doesn’t help as you’re likely to attract that conversation?

When they're enabling dangerous incompetence, I'll have to speak against them.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

When they're enabling dangerous incompetence, I'll have to speak against them.

Why bother? It's not like you'll change any minds, and speaking about it all the time just gets you in a piss, why waste the time, make yourself look like a moaner, and strain your mental health? Just smile falsely and think them as being stupid.

[Ramsay]

I genuinely want to know as an outsider looking in what would Boris and Co have to do to make the hardcore voters finally go oh right this isn't right? Because at this stage it's beyond belief how useless they are..but the more I think about it the more I think the limit doesn't exist