[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There is no evidence the current vaccine won’t work, no additional doses required

that is certainly true for the pfizer and moderna vaccines. Their vaccine is based on producing anti bodies against the coronavirus spike which is what it uses to enter human cells, and that is still present in the new variant

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She has a bag of carrots as well so a nod to the 5 a day among the rubbish

Well spotted ... she just needs a chocolate ORANGE and a cream EGG and she’s well on her to a balanced diet ..


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[Vanessa]

I have to go food shopping tomorrow. Wish me luck

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well spotted ... she just needs a chocolate ORANGE all day a cream EGG and she’s well on her to a balanced diet ..


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Or Jaffa cakes

Its no wonder type 2 diabetes is rife

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by James

Here's a (non-expert) theory.

Don't the lockdowns encourage new strains to evolve that spread more easily? Through the rules of natural selection: the more easily-transmitted versions of the virus are the ones that are passed on while the less-transmittable strains are suppressed.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

think of it in terms of red squirrels and grey squirrels. Grey squirrels breed easier in the uk than red ones, so we quickly became over run by the little buggers, this is the same with covid

It's not really like that, viruses are self-replicating, they don't have "breeding traits" not are they in competition for resources so natural selection doesn't really apply. So yes lockdowns would kill off the less easily spread strains more easily, but that wouldn't have any effect on the numbers of the other strains.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not really like that, viruses are self-replicating, they don't have "breeding traits" not are they in competition for resources so natural selection doesn't really apply. So yes lockdowns would kill off the less easily spread strains more easily, but that wouldn't have any effect on the numbers of the other strains.

yes they would, if someone is infected with one strain of covid, it's unlikely they would be infected by another, so the fast moving virus gobbles up the majority of hosts and the slow moving virus has nowhere to go

[Zizu]

Intriguing...

No actual lab reports on the new variant are available yet !!

We already know that ‘modelling ‘ is hardly reliable




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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There is no evidence the current vaccine won’t work, no additional doses required

I think it's pretty much confirmed (sine it's been sequenced) that the new strain isnt different enough to the original to make the vaccine any less effective. It's just that to achieve herd immunity, the more easily it spreads, the higher a proportion need to be immune to drive it down. Herd immunity isn't necessarily THAT important though if vulnerable groups can be effectively vaccinated. The group it does pose problems for is immune-suppressed people who can't have the vaccine.

[bitontheslide]

In reality, the immune suppressed community have never had it so good as the time since March. I think overall, their quality of life has probably improved in that period

[arista]

Loads of Car Drivers & Lorrys
got onto a Portsmouth Ferry last night at 10:30PM
but woke up back at the UK.

That's a real shame for them.


Also from BBC1 London News
Police stopped a Party in "trendy Chelsea"
over 30 people in there.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think it's pretty much confirmed (sine it's been sequenced) that the new strain isnt different enough to the original to make the vaccine any less effective. It's just that to achieve herd immunity, the more easily it spreads, the higher a proportion need to be immune to drive it down. Herd immunity isn't necessarily THAT important though if vulnerable groups can be effectively vaccinated. The group it does pose problems for is immune-suppressed people who can't have the vaccine.

It’s worrying that children are apparently far more susceptible to this new variant according the a guy on Sky earlier


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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s worrying that children are apparently far more susceptible to this new variant according the a guy on Sky earlier


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To carrying it, children are not at any increased risk of serious illness.

[arista]

33,364 Today got Covid-19

215 have Died

Patients in hospital
Latest available
18,771

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,364


67,616 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

South Africa also has the Mutant Covid-19

Ch4HDnews.

[parmnion]

France stopping solo lorry drivers from entering france , but allowing unchecked small boats all summer to come the other way.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To carrying it, children are not at any increased risk of serious illness.

It’s too early to say that tbh



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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

France stopping solo lorry drivers from entering france , but allowing unchecked small boats all summer to come the other way.

These lorry drivers have been in and out of the UK all through the pandemic and will be very aware of how to keep themselves safe , to deny them access back home days before Christmas is a horrible act of political posturing on Macrons behalf, on top of that he is trapping UK drivers in France so it’s not really ideal from a PH point of view

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s too early to say that tbh



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It’s not really, as we would be seeing an increase in children’s hospital admissions by now?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It’s not really, as we would be seeing an increase in children’s hospital admissions by now?

Hopefully you’re right ... although people don’t get it then go straight to hospital .. there’s a couple of weeks delay ..


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[AnnieK]

As its been circulating since September I think we would have begun to hear of kids getting sick now if that were the case. Especially with all the cases there has been in schools. We've always known they are spreaders.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

These lorry drivers have been in and out of the UK all through the pandemic and will be very aware of how to keep themselves safe , to deny them access back home days before Christmas is a horrible act of political posturing on Macrons behalf, on top of that he is trapping UK drivers in France so it’s not really ideal from a PH point of view

Yes, I hope they get to go home for Christmas.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

These lorry drivers have been in and out of the UK all through the pandemic and will be very aware of how to keep themselves safe , to deny them access back home days before Christmas is a horrible act of political posturing on Macrons behalf, on top of that he is trapping UK drivers in France so it’s not really ideal from a PH point of view

I told my yorkie munching pal to grow a moustache and pretend hes 16.

[Scarlett.]

Given our cases went from 12k per day to 35k per day in less than a week, I dont really blame the rest of the world quarantining us until we have more information

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Given our cases went from 12k per day to 35k per day in less than a week, I dont really blame the rest of the world quarantining us until we have more information

Exactly.. 35,000 per day for Sunday and Monday ... the two lowest days normally is a worry


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[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Given our cases went from 12k per day to 35k per day in less than a week, I dont really blame the rest of the world quarantining us until we have more information

Hopefully the vaccine will help to bring the cases down.
I will definitely have it when they offer it.
So I will be protected at work.