[Nicky91]

netherlands today numbers

10.447 new cases

297 new hospitalisations (2.289 in total)

56 new ICU patients (603 in total)

106 new deaths

[Nicky91]

Germany's christmas corona rules

What are the contact restrictions right now?

Until at least January 10th 2021, private meetings indoors and outdoors are only allowed with members of your own household and one other household, with a maximum of five people over the age of 14; younger children are exempt from the rule.

What's changing at Christmas?

For the period from December 24th to 26th, the government and states have agreed to allow a slight relaxation of this rule.

"Even in this special year, it should be possible for the Christmas days to be celebrated together. However, in view of the high incidence of infection, this will only be possible on a much smaller scale than usual," said the German government and 16 states in a final decision paper.

Here's what is allowed:

1. Your household can invite or gather with four people over the age of 14 during this time

2. Children under the age of 14 are not counted in the total number of people.

3. Only meetings within the closest family circle are allowed. However, because this is difficult to define formally, the politicians have specifically named various groups of people. They mention "spouses, partners and partners in a non-marital partnership as well as relatives in a straight line, siblings, siblings' children and their respective household members".

4. The policy appeals to everyone to take a "protection week" before meetings. That means that people should cut down social contact as much as possible for five to seven days before celebrating with people.

Examples:

- So an older couple can celebrate with two adult children, their partners and all grandchildren under 14 (household plus four).

- Note the rule only extends to relatives in a "straight line". An elderly couple with one adult child would therefore not be allowed to invite uncles and aunts in addition to their family (household plus two), even if the number of four adult guests is not reached.

- If the couple has three adult children with their own family (household plus six), one of the adult children would have to celebrate elsewhere.

- The situation is different if one of the three children is older but still lives at home. Then it counts as part of the parents' household (household plus four).

What happens if you are not celebrating with family?

Then the current rule applies: no more than two households in total can meet with a maximum of five people. Children under 14 are exempt from the rule.

Was this one of the topics thoroughly discussed?

Most likely. The examples show how difficult it was for Chancellor Angela Merkel and state leaders to find a solution for Christmas.

Not all sides are happy with the wording announced either. According to a transcript from the meeting participants, the point "does not make the intention sufficiently clear", reported Spiegel.

Previously, the government and states were to allow a maximum of 10 people to meet from any number of households between December 23rd and 31st, but this does not apply anymore.

The paper also contains an important restriction: the Christmas rule only applies "depending on the respective infection situation" in the state.

Should the situation escalate further, individual state governments can switch to stricter contact restrictions during the holidays.

Can you travel to visit people?

Travel is not banned, but a further appeal is being made to the public to refrain from non-essential domestic and international travel. The quarantine rule for arrivals from foreign risk areas remains in place.

What about state differences?

As we said earlier, states can choose to enforce different rules depending on the Covid-19 situation.

Keep an eye on your local government decisions for any state differences.

https://www.thelocal.de/20201218/wha...-meeting-rules

[Nicky91]

"protection week" means creating a 'bubble' yourself, if anyone there got plans to have family over for christmas

+ selftestkits which is also very useful, to test yourself, make sure the ones who come over also get themselves tested etc


those government and state council meetings over there have been going on like marathons daily, but finally they also come to some agreements now

[arista]

We go Live to 10 Downing St.
in a min

[arista]

Live Now

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

We go Live to 10 Downing St.
in a min

Have they not released the new figures ??

I’m dreading the infection rate reaching 40,000 + daily

Even the Uk Gov site only quotes yesterday’s figures !!!!
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[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Have they not released the new figures ??

I’m dreading the infection rate reaching 40,000 + daily


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Not yet.

But the R rate has gone up to 1.3

He saying cases rising in Tier 3.


He is talking about yesterday 691 deaths

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Not yet.



But the R rate has gone up to 1.3

He’s LIVE now but for some bizarre reason he’s omitted the daily infection figure !!
I fear that it’s an outrageously high number and he’s scared of revealing it !!


Deaths
Hospital cases
Admissions


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[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

He’s LIVE now but for some bizarre reason he’s omitted the daily infection figure !!

Deaths
Hospital cases
Admissions


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They come out 4PM or later

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

They come out 4PM or later

Why tell us all the other figures though .. but not the infection figure


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[arista]

Good news Vanessa
not total lockdown

Its Tiers going up.

Cornwall moves to Tier2

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

Good news Vanessa
not total lockdown

Its Tiers going up.

Cornwall moves to Tier2

His dragging this **** out.

They're clearly gonna put us all in another Lockdown so it's better to do it sooner rather than later imo.

[arista]

On Boxing Day
Essex
Norfolk
Sussex
Waverlely in Surrey
Oxfordshire
Hampshire

All move into Tier 4



[Sussex
Oxfordshire
Suffolk
Norfolk
Cambridgeshire
Parts of Essex currently not in Tier 4
Waverley in Surrey
Hampshire, with the exception of the New Forest]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...ier-4-12171224

[Zizu]

Yikes yet ANOTHER new strain in the UK !!

Two cases already identified !!!


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[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Yikes yet ANOTHER new strain in the UK !!

Two cases already identified !!!


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Yes South African Variation

[arista]

Now
its Jenny with her slides

[bitontheslide]

the whole country is going to be in tier 4 by new year

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes South African Variation

But it’s HERE ... and it’s modified even more than the one from last week


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Now
its Jenny with her slides

Maybe she’s gonna reveal the infection figure ...


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[Denver]

What did they expect? Viruses adapt to didnt environments and always strain of into other variants hence why when it first came to Europe it was a different variant to the one in Asia

[Cherie]

Mr. C has a colleague who has corona, his wife and 2 kids have it and both sets of Grandparents as they look after the kids one day a week each, so it looks like a highly contagious strain

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Have they not released the new figures ??

I’m dreading the infection rate reaching 40,000 + daily

Even the Uk Gov site only quotes yesterday’s figures !!!!
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39,237 new infections !!!!!


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[arista]

Today 744 have Died

39,237 have caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
20,917

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,529


69,051 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

39,237 new infections !!!!!


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They are testing more symptomatic so Im guessing that is contributing to the number

[arista]

Virgin Media unlike Sky
can not update its media fast.
BBC1 Cancelled that film, Put a shorter animation
on as they were aware of a 10 Downing St., Briefing today.