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Toy Soldier · 01-01-2021, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Amazing Some Doctors are going to do the 2 Jabs
at the original time.

GP surgeries are privately run, they can dispense as they see fit.

arista · 01-01-2021, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

What I don't get is while production for both Vaccines is low in the UK, why don't we just focus on giving the second Jab to the people that have already taken the first rather than trying to do so many people at once?

It's not a race.

They appear to think
get many more done with just the first jab,
matters more.

But there is a problem with Pfizer USA Vaccine
they say it should not be 12 weeks gap.

And it is a Race
as the less protected is danger to the old folks.

Toy Soldier · 01-01-2021, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

What I don't get is while production for both Vaccines is low in the UK, why don't we just focus on giving the second Jab to the people that have already taken the first rather than trying to do so many people at once?

It's not a race.

That's absolutely what they should be doing - focussing on getting vulnerable groups fully vaccinated. Instead they're ****ing around trying to get an unpredictable number of people and unpredictable level of immunity in the hopes that it catalyses some form of herd immunity and reduces NHS strain.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but I think it may well go down in history as an absolutely massive blunder.

Mystic Mock · 01-01-2021, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's absolutely what they should be doing - focussing on getting vulnerable groups fully vaccinated. Instead they're ****ing around trying to get an unpredictable number of people and unpredictable level of immunity in the hopes that it catalyses some form of herd immunity and reduces NHS strain.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but I think it may well go down in history as an absolutely massive blunder.

Well it just makes the most common sense I feel.

I get what Arista is trying to say (and I hope he is right about this method working) but like you I sense and worry that the history books will look on this really badly.

arista · 01-01-2021, 10:58 PM

Many papers say the Vaccine makers say there is no Shortage?

arista · 01-01-2021, 11:24 PM

Garfie · 02-01-2021, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Spin doctoring; a 3 month wait between first and second dose is a disaster and we have no idea if it will create effective long-term immunity. They're taking the verified test data and saying "Umm nah we're going to try something else"... and many GP surgeries are actually refusing to follow the "new advice".

It's likely to end up with people needing a 3rd dose or even needing to restart the entire process, in an environment of limited supply.

Utter mess.

Yes, yet another, and such a predictable utter mess. But this will allow the government to claim they've been successful as more people will have been 'vaccinated'. Such a short sighted and risky move.

This is just another example of creating false hope in an attempt to maintain support. They boasted about the numbers of people who were being tested, whilst concealing the fact that results were not being returned in adequate time because the test and trace system was not functioning effectively.

They can have as many million vaccines as they like, but unless they have the systems in place to ensure vaccinations can take place safely and quickly, it means nothing. A bit like all the PPE they had but failed to deliver effectively...

Dismal.

Garfie · 02-01-2021, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The advice and process for literally any adult vaccine you might get is that if you miss the 2nd dose window then you have to wait a while and then restart with the first dose again.

This decision goes against the advice of the people who made and tested the vaccine, and there are thousands of doctors speaking out against it, even GP's saying that they will not follow this advice with their patients.

Its an absolute joke. A dangerous shambles. Anyone who agrees to this is volunteering themselves to guinneapig an untested method and will at the end of the day have absolutely no idea if they're protected or not.

My advice is, if you're not in one of the MOST vulnerable groups, WAIT until they abandon this madness and until you're relatively sure that you'll get the proper dosage with the proper spacing as tested.

Garfie · 02-01-2021, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Just ludicrous, knee-jerk, anti-scientific nonsense. The focus should be on rolling out - PROPERLY - as fast as possible.
I'm honestly low-key furious. There's bad decisions and then there's this catastrophe.

This totally sums up my response. I'm swinging between feelings of utter dismay and anger. Yes sadly, none of these decisions surprise me any more. It's what I've learnt to expect from this government. Foolish decision after foolish decision...

Garfie · 02-01-2021, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

.....didn’t those same Chief Medical Officers, back in the day last Spring...say that mask wearing for healthy public would be a totally pointless thing...and yet...

They chose to say this because we didn't have enough PPE or the effective system to distribute it, and they couldn't risk the general public buying masks when they didn't have enough for those on the front line.

Logic told us back then that masks would help. That's why medical staff wear them and why people in countries that experience more viruses wear them as a matter of course.

I think it's obvious at times that the government's chosen medical officers are not entirely comfortable with what they are coerced into saying, but know they have to comply. Often more is revealed by what they don't say. I get the impression that JVT has, on occasions, said more than politicians are happy about. I simply don't fully trust what they are saying and base my opinions on what is said by independent medical and scientific experts.

Garfie · 02-01-2021, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Then don't wheel them out in a victory parade. They didn't need to do it. we're all waiting patiently as it is, but the UK couldn't wait until we had enough, we used it as propaganda instead, and now more people are likely to die because of incompetence, optics, and flag-shagging.

They've done this repeatedly throughout the virus, repeatedly giving false hope to people with their spin. Time and time again we have seen the same story unfold. Boris is trying to present himself as some sort of superhero who is going to save us all, whilst not having a clue what he's doing. He is out of his depth and our country and its people are sadly suffering the consequences.

Garfie · 02-01-2021, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well it just makes the most common sense I feel.

I get what Arista is trying to say (and I hope he is right about this method working) but like you I sense and worry that the history books will look on this really badly.

I think the history books will look on the whole handling of this crisis badly.

Zizu · 02-01-2021, 10:55 AM

It’s interesting to hear that the one million people who’ve had the first injection are all in possession of documentation which is presumably legally binding ??

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One of the above mentioned million people just rang into Radio LBC Live and quoted the following .
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Page 2 , second paragraph.

The second dose should be administered 21 days after the first injection.
Protection may not be effective until 7 days AFTER the second dose .

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arista · 02-01-2021, 10:59 AM

Its Great some Doctors will do the 2nd injection
and ignore the Gov. Confusion.

Cherie · 02-01-2021, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Its Great some Doctors will do the 2nd injection
and ignore the Gov. Confusion.

I think that’s the right way to go...get people as immunised as possible before moving to the next cohort

My aunt ..85 has not been contacted as yet

Toy Soldier · 02-01-2021, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s interesting to hear that the one million people who’ve had the first injection are all in possession of documentation which is presumably legally binding ??

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One of the above mentioned million people just rang into Radio LBC Live and quoted the following .
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Page 2 , second paragraph.

The second dose should be administered 21 days after the first injection.
Protection may not be effective until 7 days AFTER the second dose.

Indeed.

It's not legally binding though, you'll notice they've said "should be" not "will be". They're careful about the wording of documents for this very reason.

Kizzy · 02-01-2021, 02:17 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...covid-vaccines

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...LLujEcwQ4bZ3tj

Completely conflicting advice here... one says they are interchangeable, the other not.

Cherie · 02-01-2021, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...covid-vaccines

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...LLujEcwQ4bZ3tj

Completely conflicting advice here... one says they are interchangeable, the other not.

This question was asked at the Press conference, it was a categorical no to mixing ..at the very least they are two different methods used to make the vaccines so if the second shot is a booster of the first jab, it as to be the same vaccine

Although that Guardian article says ‘exceptional circumstances’ so it’s not mixing across the board

Zizu · 02-01-2021, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

This question was asked at the Press conference, it was a categorical no to mixing ..at the very least they are two different methods used to make the vaccines so if the second shot is a booster of the first jab, it as to be the same vaccine

Although that Guardian article says ‘exceptional circumstances’ so it’s not mixing across the board

This all sounds like pure madness

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Kizzy · 02-01-2021, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

This question was asked at the Press conference, it was a categorical no to mixing ..at the very least they are two different methods used to make the vaccines so if the second shot is a booster of the first jab, it as to be the same vaccine

Although that Guardian article says ‘exceptional circumstances’ so it’s not mixing across the board

Then it would be a question of checking in 3 months who has had which jab... if they're going ahead with inoculation of everyone with an initial dose then when the Pfizer vaccine's are all used how will they receive their 2nd dose?

Surely it would be better to have used one vaccine waited the
4 weeks gave the 2nd jab and then started with the astrazenica one?

Cherie · 02-01-2021, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then it would be a question of checking in 3 months who has had which jab... if they're going ahead with inoculation of everyone with an initial dose then when the Pfizer vaccine's are all used how will they receive their 2nd dose?

Surely it would be better to have used one vaccine waited the
4 weeks gave the 2nd jab and then started with the astrazenica one?

No I think the NHS are more than capable of rolling out two, three, four different vaccines at the same time, and they will have to, they can not rely on supply of just one product as already evidenced by Pfizer themselves

Cherie · 02-01-2021, 03:22 PM

India has approved the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine for use

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-jab-approval

Zizu · 02-01-2021, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

India has approved the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine for use

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-jab-approval

Hopefully THEY haven’t paid in advance for their ‘allocation’ .... they will need nearly 3 BILLION doses ( two doses each)

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