[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Sky reporting a £10,000 fine was issued to someone in Hertfordshire for hosting a party of 150+ ..

That’s just £66 each ..


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Sure but that was some time ago.

Fines are going up

[bitontheslide]

The ONS reckon that 10% of the population have caught covid since the start of the pandemic. So multiply the current death rate by at least 8 before we get herd immunity. Granted 4 million vulnerable have now been vaccinated but there is still a pool of millions of vulnerable people that could be hospitalised and die from covid if it was allowed to run rampant. There will be a natural lull in infection as everyone starts to head outdoors come April/May but we better hope that all the vulnerable are vaccinated by September at the latest

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The ONS reckon that 10% of the population have caught covid since the start of the pandemic. So multiply the current death rate by at least 8 before we get herd immunity. Granted 4 million vulnerable have now been vaccinated but there is still a pool of millions of vulnerable people that could be hospitalised and die from covid if it was allowed to run rampant. There will be a natural lull in infection as everyone starts to head outdoors come April/May but we better hope that all the vulnerable are vaccinated by September at the latest

But we are told theres like..80k new 'confirmed' cases daily. And this has been going on months. Ontop of this, not all new cases will be picked up (am sure I saw only 1/10 cases actually confirmed at one stage, which probably sounds about right) with so many with no symptoms (and many areas refusing to test without the 'big three'). How can so many cases, along with missed cases, mean only 6m infected in total? Over 10 months so far. Maths is not my strong point, but that doesnt make much sense to me at all :S

[Vicky.]

3,505,754 'confirmed cases'.

Studies appear to show massive differences, 3x to 20x 'true' infection rate from 'confirmed'

If you take 5x, which is obviously one of the lower ones, then that would be like..1/4 of the country? Add in vaccinated...and you don't need 100% for herd immunity anyway?

Even if you take the 3x lowest estimate, thats 10m people, which is above 10%

Might be overly optomistic. Or getting stuff wrong. But, seems an end is in sight to me like, especially with the vaccine being pushed out as quickly as possible.




(Edit. Am not advocating the 'let it go wild and hide the vulnerable away' 'strategy' here mind. Just saying, that the amount already infected kind of..helps things along. Vaccine helps things even more)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

"Honestly, the cases are due to stall and drop naturally before long anyway."


Vicky
more like 5 years time

So many going to hospital are now are Dying
Brazil Variant. South African Variant.

Viruses mutating is nothing new. Good news is they 'tend' to mutate to be more contagious but less deadly. Not sure if they have decided on this yet with the UK bred version? I know its more transmissable. Not sure if they decided on if it wass less dangerous though. Also fairly sure I saw that it was decided the vaccines do work on the mutated versions also? If they don't the the vaccination program is slightly pointless..which pisses in my cornflakes somewhat tbh.

Something this spreadable would not take anywhere near 5 years. In a weird way, the more transmissable one could be helping maters long term speaking, obviously not now. Such a shame we cannot do the vaccines faster really..as long as the vulnerable are not as likely to actually end in hospital, bugger everyone else. IMO. Its not dangerous for most and never has been.

I say while 'suffering' 'long covid' myself

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

"Honestly, the cases are due to stall and drop naturally before long anyway."


Vicky
more like 5 years time

So many going to hospital are now are Dying
Brazil Variant. South African Variant.

Plus madam just referred to the a Denmark strain just before in the briefing


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[Vicky.]

I cant believe people are having 15+ people parties though, thats insane. It has to be happening, or the number wouldnt be set that high.

I cannot blame people for the odd family meetup, especially when some have been told to stay away from family for 10 months. But having massive parties is ridiculous. And I agree with the fining. (that said, I don't think fining in general is..a good option really. It doesnt affect the better off at all, ad devastates the low income, which is kind of unfair)

Though is it 800 per party? As as mentioned above, that works out as like 50 quid a person, and many would just take that risk really as its not that much :S

[bitontheslide]

it's 800 for each individual that attends a gathering over 15 and it doubles after every subsequent meeting up to £6,400. If it was a total for the group it would encourage larger gatherings, if it was 1 fine for the entire gathering, it would encourage larger gatherings to reduce the fine for each attendee .... so thats a no no

[arista]

Well Done

[Covid-19: NI lockdown to be extended until 5 March
Coronavirus lockdown restrictions in Northern Ireland
will be extended until 5 March,
the first and deputy first ministers have said.
The executive backed the health minister's proposal
on Thursday, and will review the
move on 18 February.
But ministers were also told that
restrictions may have to remain
in place until after the Easter holidays.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55704312

[arista]

Glastonbury 2021: Festival axed 'with great regret'


Its fair enough
no way could they keep everyone safe
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55746293

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's 800 for each individual that attends a gathering over 15 and it doubles after every subsequent meeting up to £6,400. If it was a total for the group it would encourage larger gatherings, if it was 1 fine for the entire gathering, it would encourage larger gatherings to reduce the fine for each attendee .... so thats a no no

Yes Starts Monday.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's 800 for each individual that attends a gathering over 15 and it doubles after every subsequent meeting up to £6,400. If it was a total for the group it would encourage larger gatherings, if it was 1 fine for the entire gathering, it would encourage larger gatherings to reduce the fine for each attendee .... so thats a no no

FFS yes of course. Being a little blonde today

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Starts Monday.

This kind of thing is ****ing stupid to me. Why cant it start once announced? There will be parties now that wouldnt otherwise happen, to 'get in before the big fine'. Its like the stupidity of announcing on an afternoon that the pubs will close from midnight onwards, obviously resulting in packed pubs 5 mins later

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's 800 for each individual that attends a gathering over 15 and it doubles after every subsequent meeting up to £6,400. If it was a total for the group it would encourage larger gatherings, if it was 1 fine for the entire gathering, it would encourage larger gatherings to reduce the fine for each attendee .... so thats a no no

So what happens if only 14 or 15 attend a party ?


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This kind of thing is ****ing stupid to me. Why cant it start once announced? There will be parties now that wouldnt otherwise happen, to 'get in before the big fine'. Its like the stupidity of announcing on an afternoon that the pubs will close from midnight onwards, obviously resulting in packed pubs 5 mins later

True we’ve had issues like that before as well ..


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[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Zizu

So what happens if only 14 or 15 attend a party ?


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its the same fine as you would get for small gatherings previously, is it £100 per person?, i can't remember

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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Thoughts on the proposed idea of paying £500 out ...


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