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Ammi · 25-01-2021, 07:00 AM

...once in a lifetime could never be democracy and Boris’ NO isn’t democracy either...if the Scottish people want another referendum, if that’s the will of the people ...then I hope that they can get it...

Toy Soldier · 25-01-2021, 08:15 AM

Imagine if people had voted Boris into office in 2019 and it had been like "right, well, that's that then, Tories for the next hundred years! The people have spoken!"

That said, I do think it's too early, simply because of Brexit. Like it or not, we're on a small island with a land border with England, and being out of the EU now means that border gets very complicated (ESPECIALLY if Scotland was to rejoin the EU). Basically I think the trade situation between the UK and EU needs to settle down before it can even be considered, sadly.

Secret option number 3 of course is staying outside of the "full" EU whilst having tailored deals with both the EU and England, allowing EU-England trade to flow through Scotland and making us super rich

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We want our happy Scottish fish

arista · 25-01-2021, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...once in a lifetime could never be democracy and Boris’ NO isn’t democracy either...if the Scottish people want another referendum, if that’s the will of the people ...then I hope that they can get it...

Its Not just the once in a lifetime,
also, it's because of the Pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic

James · 25-01-2021, 04:37 PM

I came across this article (titled 'Paean to Britain') by the TV presenter Neil Oliver that is basically what I think about all this.

Here it is - https://www.these-islands.co.uk/publ...o_britain.aspx

Also I was thinking recently about how with the US election that some Trump supporters were supporting the idea that some states would breakaway from the United States, and how that is just as ridiculous as this.

Oliver_W · 25-01-2021, 05:50 PM

What's their end endgame? They want to be an independent country ... Under Nicola Sturgeon?

Okay then

LeatherTrumpet · 25-01-2021, 06:14 PM

Most scots think Nicola is doing a great job

Oliver_W · 25-01-2021, 06:27 PM

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Most scots think Nicola is doing a great job

Who am I to talk, we're ruled by Boris Bloody Johnson

But at least the England part of the country sees him for the clown he is! (I hope)

joeysteele · 25-01-2021, 06:39 PM

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Who am I to talk, we're ruled by Boris Bloody Johnson

But at least the England part of the country sees him for the clown he is! (I hope)

England sees Johnson as a clown.
I don't think so.
It's really England that elected him.

For me, Nicola Sturgeon is the only real states-person as to any part of the UK leadership.
Which is also why in part she's hands down winning on the independence issue too.
Because she's the only open and trustworthy leader in my opinion.

Toy Soldier · 25-01-2021, 06:43 PM

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England sees Johnson as a clown.
I don't think so.
It's really England that elected him.

For me, Nicola Sturgeon is the only real states-person as to any part of the UK leadership.
Which is also why in part she's hands down winning on the independence issue too.
Because she's the only open and trustworthy leader in my opinion.

I think that's part of the uncomfortable truth in England; rising support for Scottish independence has less to do with increased Scottish nationalism, and more to do with increased skepticism for the government sitting in Westminster. A lot of people now supporting Indy would - as their first choice - much rather see fairer and more competent government for the whole of the UK but it's becoming painfully obvious that it's just not going to happen... not any time soon. So any way of getting away from it is the next best option.

LeatherTrumpet · 25-01-2021, 06:50 PM

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I think that's part of the uncomfortable truth in England; rising support for Scottish independence has less to do with increased Scottish nationalism, and more to do with increased skepticism for the government sitting in Westminster. A lot of people now supporting Indy would - as their first choice - much rather see fairer and more competent government for the whole of the UK but it's becoming painfully obvious that it's just not going to happen... not any time soon. So any way of getting away from it is the next best option.

i think most scots watch Nicola and watch the mess down south with Hancock and work it out..

Oliver_W · 25-01-2021, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

England sees Johnson as a clown.
I don't think so.
It's really England that elected him.

Back then he was just a "good ole boy" who was the last halfway decent Mayor of London, and generally an amusing buffoon. Covid wasn't a thing yet, so his levels of incompetence weren't yet widely known.

Also, he was against Jeremy Corbyn. When there are two bad options, voting for a party headed by either of them is hardly a ringing endorsement.

(For what it's worth, I spoiled my ballot. I wanted a hung parliament, I couldn't stand the thought of actively voting for either)

Toy Soldier · 25-01-2021, 06:52 PM

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Back then he was just a "good ole boy" who was the last halfway decent Mayor of London, and generally an amusing buffoon. Covid wasn't a thing yet, so his levels of incompetence weren't yet widely known.

Also, he was against Jeremy Corbyn. When there are two bad options, voting for a party headed by either of them is hardly a ringing endorsement.

(For what it's worth, I spoiled my ballot. I wanted a hung parliament, I couldn't stand the thought of actively voting for either)

They'd vote for him again tomorrow.

Oliver_W · 25-01-2021, 06:53 PM

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They'd vote for him again tomorrow.

Not to be one of those people who says "show your sources" but ... What is your source ?

joeysteele · 25-01-2021, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think that's part of the uncomfortable truth in England; rising support for Scottish independence has less to do with increased Scottish nationalism, and more to do with increased skepticism for the government sitting in Westminster. A lot of people now supporting Indy would - as their first choice - much rather see fairer and more competent government for the whole of the UK but it's becoming painfully obvious that it's just not going to happen... not any time soon. So any way of getting away from it is the next best option.

I agree with all that too.
Very strong point.

joeysteele · 25-01-2021, 06:56 PM

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They'd vote for him again tomorrow.

.... and yes they would sadly.

Toy Soldier · 25-01-2021, 06:56 PM

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Not to be one of those people who says "show your sources" but ... What is your source ?

It's an opinion, the source is me

Oliver_W · 25-01-2021, 06:58 PM

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It's an opinion, the source is me

Okay fairsquare, I was thrown off by the lack words like "I think"

Well, you're in the Scot"land" part of our country and I'm in the England bit, and I think he wouldn't get voted in again

Marsh. · 25-01-2021, 07:05 PM

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When is it going to be England's turn to say whether we want Scotland to remain or not? Or are we going to go through this nonsense every year until Sturgeon gets the result she wants?

Cherie · 25-01-2021, 08:19 PM

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i think most scots watch Nicola and watch the mess down south with Hancock and work it out..

I honestly don't see how much better she has done?

James · 25-01-2021, 08:42 PM

It's almost impossible for a Scottish government to become unpopular because of the way the devolved powers were set up. The Scottish Parliament was given enough power so that it could look competent, but not enough that it could mess things up or do anything very controversial.

The previous Labour-led administration didn't get unpopular, it just lost power to the SNP because the UK Labour government at the time lost popularity.