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Old 25-01-2021, 11:58 AM   #26
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Old 25-01-2021, 12:03 PM   #27
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...just to add also...do parents want to make the decision themselves what is ‘harmful’ to their own child(ren)...or do they want that decision made by others...it surely gives more freedom to a parent and takes nothing away...
That's my thinking really, parents who don't want their kids to watch the content now have an easier route to them not viewing it, parents who are OK or would even like to watch these films with their kids still can, and (frankly) parents who don't care either way probably don't have kids Disney+ accounts set up with age restrictions and just have one unrestricted account that's shared. TBH the last one is probably the most likely scenario.
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Old 25-01-2021, 12:12 PM   #28
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That's my thinking really, parents who don't want their kids to watch the content now have an easier route to them not viewing it, parents who are OK or would even like to watch these films with their kids still can, and (frankly) parents who don't care either way probably don't have kids Disney+ accounts set up with age restrictions and just have one unrestricted account that's shared. TBH the last one is probably the most likely scenario.
...and it’s also referring to originals as well, many children will watch the live remakes, I would think ....I was just thinking earlier actually about Sleeping Beauty and how dodgy ‘THE KISS’ is because that was definitely non consensual...
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...and it’s also referring to originals as well, many children will watch the live remakes, I would think ....I was just thinking earlier actually about Sleeping Beauty and how dodgy ‘THE KISS’ is because that was definitely non consensual...
The whole concept of Sleeping Beauty is a mess, surely we want to teach kids that you fall in love with someone by getting to know them and liking their personality too, not that you just see a random inanimate person in a bed and think "Wow so hot" .

... ... ... not to mention that in the original story that it's based on, she is actually raped in her sleep by the prince (king) and goes through a full pregnancy and childbirth whilst still unconscious, and wakes up when one of her children dislodges some magical thingumawotsit from her hand that's keeping her asleep.

The original stories are always really messed up .
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Old 25-01-2021, 01:15 PM   #31
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The whole concept of Sleeping Beauty is a mess, surely we want to teach kids that you fall in love with someone by getting to know them and liking their personality too, not that you just see a random inanimate person in a bed and think "Wow so hot" .

... ... ... not to mention that in the original story that it's based on, she is actually raped in her sleep by the prince (king) and goes through a full pregnancy and childbirth whilst still unconscious, and wakes up when one of her children dislodges some magical thingumawotsit from her hand that's keeping her asleep.

The original stories are always really messed up .
Bloody hell, I hadn't heard that version, that's really disturbing. I remember having the Little Mermaid book when I was a kid and it was warped as well. The trade off for getting legs meant she was constantly in pain
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Hmm. I don't think there's any harm in kids watching these films but I do think it should be with an adult to provide context (not that all will). This isn't censorship though; they're essentially just changing them from "U" rated to "PG" and there's nothing wrong with that, at the end of the day it will be parent's decision whether or not to let kids watch them, which seems like the right route forward really.
Pretty much, it's basically just upping their age rating but it's not gonna stop people from misunderstanding what censorship is and crying that these films are being censored.

It's all quite understandable really, if these films had to be reclassified in today's world, they wouldn't be U rated. As usual, people are getting mad for no reason.
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Bloody hell, I hadn't heard that version, that's really disturbing. I remember having the Little Mermaid book when I was a kid and it was warped as well. The trade off for getting legs meant she was constantly in pain
And that it was all for nothing because the prince chose someone else and so she died, fairy tales are ****ed when you look at the original versions.
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And that it was all for nothing because the prince chose someone else and so she died, fairy tales are ****ed when you look at the original versions.
Was it something like she'd saved the prince from drowning but when he woke up there was another woman looking after him and he thought she was the one who saved him or something?
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Was it something like she'd saved the prince from drowning but when he woke up there was another woman looking after him and he thought she was the one who saved him or something?
Could be, I remember reading it as a kid and I thought I could remember it turning out that basically he fell in love with someone else. Maybe I remembered it wrong, either way, she ends up as foam, I think.
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Could be, I remember reading it as a kid and I thought I could remember it turning out that basically he fell in love with someone else. Maybe I remembered it wrong, either way, she ends up as foam, I think.
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When Ariel becomes a human, she has legs and it’s a very exciting time for her.

What Disney left out is the penalty the mermaid has to pay for getting those legs in Andersen’s story.

Taking a step with her human legs is as the author put it, like “walking on knives,” according to Bustle.

There’s no happy ending in Andersen’s story
The Little Mermaid ends with the characters living happily ever after. But not in Andersen’s world.

Instead, the prince marries another woman whom he believes saved him from drowning.

Meanwhile, the mermaid has no way of telling him the truth because she has no voice. She’s given another shot when she’s told if she kills the prince, she will live.

In the end, the mermaid can’t bring herself to kill the man she loves and ends up back in the sea where she becomes sea foam or a “daughter of the air” where she remains in purgatory.https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertain...-mermaid.html/
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Ah, so slightly less cruel than I remembered, I was sure I remembered him straight up rejecting her.
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Like in Cinderella, the Ugly Step Sisters chopped bits of their feet off to fit into the shoes , which were silk and silver rather than glass.
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Andersen’s mermaid pays a big price for having legs

When Ariel becomes a human, she has legs and it’s a very exciting time for her.

What Disney left out is the penalty the mermaid has to pay for getting those legs in Andersen’s story.

Taking a step with her human legs is as the author put it, like “walking on knives,” according to Bustle.

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Instead, the prince marries another woman whom he believes saved him from drowning.

Meanwhile, the mermaid has no way of telling him the truth because she has no voice. She’s given another shot when she’s told if she kills the prince, she will live.

In the end, the mermaid can’t bring herself to kill the man she loves and ends up back in the sea where she becomes sea foam or a “daughter of the air” where she remains in purgatory.https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertain...-mermaid.html/
That poor unfortunate soul
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Like in Cinderella, the Ugly Step Sisters chopped bits of their feet off to fit into the shoes , which were silk and silver rather than glass.
Yeah I've heard that one too - they cut off their toes to try and get the shoes to fit or something
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And then don't crows peck out their eyes for their 'wickedness?' So they end up blind with mangled feet.

That's the version I remember reading in school, at least, I think it was. Maybe I'm embellishing it, given how I misremembered the details of Little Mermaid.
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just shows how hardy we were has kids, it was like water off a ducks back

I just remember the pretty dresses in the Cinderella books
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...Cinderella, the not so ‘evil’ one sold her sisters to wealthy husbands...so human trafficking with her handsome Prince...?...shades of Jeffrey and Ghislaine...
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And the Wicked Witch from Snow White? She didn't topple off a cliff while trying to push a rock at Snowie... She survived right up to the wedding, which she was captured and forced to wear red hot iron shoes, and danced around until she dropped dead!
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Bloody hell, I hadn't heard that version, that's really disturbing. I remember having the Little Mermaid book when I was a kid and it was warped as well. The trade off for getting legs meant she was constantly in pain
Isn't the original Cinderella that the ugly sisters literally start cutting off toes in order to fit their feet into the glass slipper too?

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I don't have a problem with them changing the age ratings of the films, there are plenty other films which don't have harmful stereotypes.
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I mean SLeeping Beuty was 16 when she was being kissed whilst unconscious by a man and snow white was 14 and living with 7 men over 50

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