[Daniel.]

As in, if someone has allegations against them or been convicted of something awful, can you still listen to their music as it's a separate entity to them as a person or does it put you off?

Personally I can pretty easily do it, apart from murder and paedophilia. That's where I see the line and don't want to here music made by such people.

[GoldHeart]

Depends on the evidence and crime, but when I heard about the lost prophets lead singer in details ,it honestly put me off listening to their music again .I use to enjoy listening to them . I also wondered if the rest of the band knew what was going on and turned a blind eye.

[Nicky91]

anyone who supports a evil leader such as Lukashenko, Bolsonaro, Orban, Erdogan to be redacted pls

[Stu]

Yes, I can. It's something that I believe everyone draws their own lines of moral good taste on. There's no right or wrong answer so long as we're merely discussing appreciating creations and not advocating the actions of the creator. I can even appreciate the fundamental weirdness of my own mentality around it. I have no problem listening to the extremely small minority of black metal artists who've been convicted of violent crimes but absolutely would not be able to listen to an artist whose been convicted of paedophilia or rape. Those two being internalised as far more extreme transgressions of civility than murder. They make us more uncomfortable. A murder is easier to watch than a rape in a film. But that's a separate discussion.

We all live in varying degrees of ignorance - as well - to the dung heap of showbiz crimes we're not aware of. An obscene amount of rock and pop stars from decades gone by have done things on the road that would land them on the wrong end of a prison beatdown.

Chances are most of us have at least one darling that's been up to something.

[Nicky91]

one schlager star in Germany Michael Wendler has been redacted, edited out of DSDS (German idols) show, because of racist, anti-semitic stuff he wrote on his social media, also quite insulting stuff about DSDS auditionees, judgmental stuff about their looks if one is ugly etc

bc of all that, they won't play his music anymore, and mute if anyone sings one of his songs also removed all content of his from german spotify area

[Shaun]

Most stars we deem as legends from various eras have murky stories about them... John Lennon's physical abuse, David Bowie allegedly similar (I'm not familiar with the allegations, guess I just put my fingers in my ears and ignored those lol), Elvis having underage flings, Miles Davis admitted to beating his wife, as did James Brown... so it does rather quickly become a list of "Okay, who wasn't a dick?" that's easier to compile.

In recent years there is still music I enjoy by people I think are nasty, bigoted assholes. Azealia Banks is a prime recent example: fantastic music, one of the best rappers of the 21st century... but a total nightmare of a person.

I guess in most instances I am ignorant to their privates lives, if they were kept private. Like I'm reading a list now and it mentions Rolling Stones' Bill Wyman marrying an 18yo he'd known since she was 13 (he was 47!)

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Most stars we deem as legends from various eras have murky stories about them... John Lennon's physical abuse, David Bowie allegedly similar (I'm not familiar with the allegations, guess I just put my fingers in my ears and ignored those lol), Elvis having underage flings, Miles Davis admitted to beating his wife, as did James Brown... so it does rather quickly become a list of "Okay, who wasn't a dick?" that's easier to compile.

In recent years there is still music I enjoy by people I think are nasty, bigoted assholes. Azealia Banks is a prime recent example: fantastic music, one of the best rappers of the 21st century... but a total nightmare of a person.

I guess in most instances I am ignorant to their privates lives, if they were kept private. Like I'm reading a list now and it mentions Rolling Stones' Bill Wyman marrying an 18yo he'd known since she was 13 (he was 47!)

most of those whom were one night stands too

but nothing bad about Elvis music, since my dad is a Elvis superfan

[Captain.Remy]

That has been an on-going debate in France for a very long time due to mainly Roman Polanski being a well-known film director and also a fugitive from the criminal justice system in the USA when he left the country in 1977 while awaiting sentencing for unlawful intercourse with a minor.

His movies are often awarded in Academy Awards, BAFTA, Golden Globes etc and a lot of people take offence to that. Should we seperate the artist from their art or not?


I believe there's no right or wrong answer as it's incredibly difficult and calls for personal moral sense. Like it's said above, I suppose everybody draws the line where they see fit like rape, murder or paedophilia. Some draw the line for more or less than that. So personally it's depending on the context and the art, there's no definite answer to that.

[LeatherTrumpet]

yes i still listen to Michael Jackson

[Ammi]

...I’m not sure if I would listen tbh ...but as others have said, I would be the person defining ‘bad’ and for me to have defined someone as ‘bad’ would surely mean that I had already drawn that moral line for myself...as in for instance, Ian Watkins, as GoldHeart said...

...so yeah, it’s all in the personal moral lines drawn but to think of someone as a ‘bad person’ would have already made the decision for me...

[Daniel.]

I'm a big fan of MM's music and still listen to him

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I’m not sure if I would listen tbh ...but as others have said, I would be the person defining ‘bad’ and for me to have defined someone as ‘bad’ would surely mean that I had already drawn that moral line for myself...as in for instance, Ian Watkins, as GoldHeart said...

...so yeah, it’s all in the personal moral lines drawn but to think of someone as a ‘bad person’ would have already made the decision for me...

For me it's knowing the details ,and Ian Watkins even admitted to it. he had no remorse . And whole thing sounded gross and disturbing.

But as I've said in other threads it's hard to boycott and mute/ cancel everything ,where do you draw the line ?.

I think alot of us know the music industry and Hollywood is full of abuse and bad stuff , sometimes you can separate the person from the art and others times you can't .

But this is another reason why celebrities SHOULDN'T be idolised .

[Smithy]

Generally no, like Chris Brown and Azealia Banks are the first two that spring to mind that are just trash and I’m not giving them $$$ by streaming their music

[Zizu]

I wouldn’t listen to anything by Poop Dogg given his bad behaviour towards women down years ..

Also nothing from Bobby Brown for introducing and supplying Whitney with drugs


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[Jake.]

I find it conflicting, I do try to separate the two (when you think about the amount of awful producers etc. out there, it can be pretty hard avoiding music made by “bad” people)

[Marsh.]

Yeah, it's difficult to judge "bad people" when you don't know them. We all probably listen to the music of, watch the movies of, watch the TV shows of people who we have no idea what they're getting up to that might sicken us? So, judging adulterers etc you'd really not be listening to an awful lot in the end.

But when it comes to known crimes like Ian Watkins, yeah, knocks me sick and I just can't.

[Oliver_W]

When it comes to musicians having flings with underage people, one has to wonder if they should ask their groupies for ID. I'm not even being flippant or sarcastic BTW
If a musician actively grooms a younger person then knowing that happened would seriously taint their music, but failing to check their age when they meet backstage? It's obviously not the fault of the person who's not able to consent, but on the part of the musician it's more a lapse of responsibility than predatory behaviour .

Tangent aside It'd depend on what they'd done, and how much I liked them before

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

When it comes to musicians having flings with underage people, one has to wonder if they should ask their groupies for ID. I'm not even being flippant or sarcastic BTW
If a musician actively grooms a younger person then knowing that happened would seriously taint their music, but failing to check their age when they meet backstage? It's obviously not the fault of the person who's not able to consent, but on the part of the musician it's more a lapse of responsibility than predatory behaviour .

Tangent aside It'd depend on what they'd done, and how much I liked them before

Well nowadays you'd think they would check ID but we all know alot of musicians / singers don't care or don't bother to check.

It's only now R Kelly is being exposed , and an underage girl who slept with Mick Jagger exposed him.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well nowadays you'd think they would check ID but we all know alot of musicians / singers don't care or don't bother to check.

It's only now R Kelly is being exposed , and an underage girl who slept with Mick Jagger exposed him.

Well exactly. I didn't like R Kelly to begin with, but an irresponsible backstage encounter isn't going to ruin the Stones for me.

[smudgie]

I absolutely adore Wall of sound stuff. Too much talent not to listen to.
I in no way condone Phil Spectre for any wrongdoing he has done in life.

[Mystic Mock]

It depends on what the crime is for me.

Drugs, Theft, or being a Cheryl Cole fan - Yes I could still listen to their Music.

Murder, Rape, Paedophilia, Bestiality, or GBH towards their partner - No.

[LaLaLand]

Yes.

That goes for music, films, old tv shows etc too. If I like it, I like it - I don't really take into consideration "the people".

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Most stars we deem as legends from various eras have murky stories about them... John Lennon's physical abuse, David Bowie allegedly similar (I'm not familiar with the allegations, guess I just put my fingers in my ears and ignored those lol), Elvis having underage flings, Miles Davis admitted to beating his wife, as did James Brown... so it does rather quickly become a list of "Okay, who wasn't a dick?" that's easier to compile.

In recent years there is still music I enjoy by people I think are nasty, bigoted assholes. Azealia Banks is a prime recent example: fantastic music, one of the best rappers of the 21st century... but a total nightmare of a person.

I guess in most instances I am ignorant to their privates lives, if they were kept private. Like I'm reading a list now and it mentions Rolling Stones' Bill Wyman marrying an 18yo he'd known since she was 13 (he was 47!)

To compare azealia to any of those people as if anything she’s done is as bad is a bit...

[Legrand]

Yeah, it's very easy for me to separate the two, but I can understand people who don't.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Elliot

To compare azealia to any of those people as if anything she’s done is as bad is a bit...

She’s worse!