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02-02-2021, 05:25 PM
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Remembering Kerry
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02-02-2021, 05:48 PM
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In kids it mainly shows as bad stomach apparently, if the child is one of the unlucky few who gets symptoms. This has been a big discussion at our school for ages as kids cannot get a test without the symptoms being lied about, even though its quite well known it presents differently in most kids. The theory for this (and I wouldn't be too surprised if it was true tbh) was that..given the PM is adamant that 'schools are very safe!!!!!' it HAD to be that way. Then it showed as no kids having positive tests, ergo..schools are indeed safe! Sounded a bit paranoid to me to start with, then I saw the endless claims that schools were safe when it was clearly not the case and it was clearly the main driver behind the spread..and it made sense. This is a large part of why I currently think whatever the government say about it all is likely bull. So much crap from the start, and still much stuff that contradicts stuff they also say elsewhere. Like, the lies about schools..was unforgivable to me really. It could easily have been put over as, the children themselves are almost sure to be safe. As its true that primary kids especially, seem to be fine. However, while if they catch it they will most likely not even show signs of illness, they CAN still give it to their families and of course teachers are also at huge risk. I feel so damn bad for teachers through all this, the denial they are at risk, and stuff. I actually think they have been treat worse than NHS staff and are potentially at higher risk, given they are not allowed to even try protecting themselves because for some reason Boris reckons covid knows to not come into schools, its the only place in the country that covid absolutely is not a problem and will not spread  Back ontopic though, I don't really get why there needs to be a list of symptoms. Given, any symptom of any illness can be a symptom of covid anyway. So, just feeling ill, in any way, is potential covid really. This focus on a few symptoms, especially when you can only get a test (I know some areas allow testing for any reason now though) with a few of the symptoms, seems a bit daft. |
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02-02-2021, 05:56 PM
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 They said it was basically, as the vaccine can run you down a bit so they don't want to make it worse, or the potential for the weakened virus to take hold given your immune system is already fighting something, or something along those lines. Which makes sense (though as far as I know, the covid one is not the weakened/dead virus type ones that some vaccines are)There wouldn't be any reason for you to be unable to have treatment for other illnesses, after getting the covid vaccine.That I can think of anyway. But you could not have the covid one, while already ill with something. Probably including the common cold tbh, nevermind penumonia. Last edited by Vicky.; 02-02-2021 at 05:58 PM. |
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02-02-2021, 05:57 PM
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Netherlands: number of new corona cases has decreased the last week with 20% to 28.628
RIVM estimates two third of the new cases are from the UK strain, but also 3 other strains are discovered here (23 cases of south african strain, 2 cases of brazilian strain) on 15th January, the R rate was 0.97, if the number is below 1, then number of cases will decline |
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02-02-2021, 06:00 PM
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Netherlands: Press Conference of PM Rutte and health minister De Jonge now Live
what we expect from tonights corona press conference, not much positive news, most lockdown restrictions will remain the same, only the curfew is uncertain, parliament is divided about that, renew or no longer go through with that and also some information to the people regarding all the new strains |
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02-02-2021, 06:03 PM
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Rutte: we are now at worrying and uncertain times regarding the coronacrisis, we want a clear plan for the people, reality is we need to up our vaccinations asap
the good news is number of daily new cases is decreasing, hospitalisations and ICU numbers also going down original covid: 0.85 meaning that is going down uk covid: 1.03 meaning that might go up and double each week if we aren't careful |
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02-02-2021, 06:07 PM
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Yeah .. you can imagine why I’m always so stressed working in a high school  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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02-02-2021, 06:09 PM
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[AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine will not be
recommended for over-65s in France or Sweden as countries follow Germany’s lead Sweden and France join Germany in objections to the Oxford AstraZeneca jab Berlin said lack of evidence for over-65s, Macron said it was 'almost ineffective' Came after EU reacted angrily to delayed jab roll-out, while Britain triumphs Boris Johnson has backed 'very good and efficacious' jab despite rancorous EU] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...5s-Sweden.html |
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02-02-2021, 06:27 PM
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Numbers are coming down, and hopefully the vaccine will help to keep the virus under control.
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02-02-2021, 06:41 PM
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Its as illogical as saying all kids had to be back at school and fines would be dished out if not. Like, it would be best all round, surely, to allow parents who are quite happy with homeschooling..to carry on with it. Puts less burden on the teachers, and allows for more distancing. Forcing large groups of people together, seems silly. But no 'schools are safe, and you will be fined for trying to do what you personally think is best during a pandemic. Ignore your instincts, and listen to us while we lie to you, else fine' We had a situation where my stepdaughter had a tummy bug so obviously was kept off. Like, they are meant to take 48 hours after last puke anyway. But the school massively piled pressure on us, even suggesting at one point to send her in, and if she was sick at school they would send her back! All that week, they rang us twice a day, and even threatened a fine at one stage. You would think, they would be happy for people keeping ill kids off. And would be a lot more lenient, as even a sore throat could be potential covid so a lot of parents would keep them off even with that. But no, seems our school wanted ill kids in. I can only assume, that ofsted or something was whinging about attendance still, which seems ridiculous given the situation 
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02-02-2021, 06:51 PM
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Yeah that Ofsted card that the Education Secretary played before the Jan return was a game changer as was the government’s new guidelines for vulnerable’ pupils.. meaning we are now seeing 130+ pupils ( increasing all the time) compared to around 20 in the first lockdown... all this whilst providing online lessons for all pupils . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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02-02-2021, 07:57 PM
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Them whinging about attendance during this is bloody ridiculous to me. Even if it was 'just a tummy bug' (which it seemed to be) I don't get why they would WANT her in while she was contagious?! In my mind, all this would be doing is making more kids (and teachers) ill, so longer term attendance would drop. But the focus on attendance during a pandemic is beyond stupid  Even in 'normal times' I find the attendance thing so bizarre. I don't understand at all, having a school policy where diarrhea and vomitting requires an extra 48 hours off once child is better, just incase. BUT then at the same time, whinging at parents for keeping them off and demanding to know exactly when they will be back (something you cannot know, if they should be off til after they get better, as you dont know when they will be better!). The 48 hour thing is obviously sensible, but you cannot hold both views at once, that they should be off for illness, but also should not be off for illness and the 48 hour thing doesnt matter, and send them in and 'we will decide if they are ill'?!..its so..stupid. |
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03-02-2021, 02:29 AM
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As regards Ofsted it's not so much about attendance more about increased expectations even as circumstances have gotten far more difficult and indeed dangerous . The Education Secretary opened his speech BT applauding the schools , teachers and staff but in his next sentence advised parents that if they had any complaints about the schools , the online teaching / lessons or whatever they should complain to the headmaster AND Ofsted .... saying they had been instructed to act vigilantly. :::.: Gavin Williamson has provoked anger among head teachers by suggesting that parents should report schools to Ofsted if they felt that the online learning provision was not good enough. The education secretary told the House of Commons that all schools in England must give children high-quality remote teaching . If parents are unhappy they should complain to the head teacher and ultimately to Ofsted. He added: “We have set out clear, legally binding requirements for schools to provide high-quality remote education. This is mandatory for all state-funded schools and will be ENFORCED by Ofsted. There was anger among teachers and heads, who spent most of the Christmas holidays planning for the roll-out of mass Covid-19 testing and have endured a series of U-turns over school openings and exams plus very few of all the laptops promised ever made it to the schools across the UK Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Last edited by Zizu; 03-02-2021 at 02:34 AM. |
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03-02-2021, 02:35 AM
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What are everyone's thoughts on these developments ? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro |
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03-02-2021, 02:53 AM
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Ahh right, I think thats a totally different issue to the one I had. This was about being in school, before the schools closed again. Probably somewhere around September time from memory. Seemed very very odd that they insisted on us sending her to school while actively quite ill with sickness, at a time when you would think it would be a good idea to keep them off for even minor things. Telling us to send her in and basically, if she was sick in school they would send her back was just..a bizarre ask to me. I wouldn't do that even without this going on, as its just putting other people at risk of a nasty tummy bug, for no reason besides the school whinging about us doing the right thing and keeping her at home. Another reason is of course, that she would feel crappy at school, even if she did not physically puke there..sending ill children to school is awful IMO, both on the ill child, and on anyone who comes into contact with them.
The only way I could make any sense of the schools behaviour was that OFSTED had ramped up the pressure on schools for attendance..especially the ringing morning and afternoon..suggesting at one stage that she could come in in the afternoon session to 'see if she can handle half days until she is better'?! The threat of a fine really angered me also, and I asked them if they wish for me to send in videos of her being sick or something, which was not my finest moment, granted, but it was infuriating, having receptionists on the phone constantly. I also asked for a copy of their updated D&V policy..in writing, that stated that the 48 hour period after illness was no longer required, and that the new policy was infact even while vomitting and crapping was occuring, parents should send the children in so the teachers can act as doctors and decide if the child is actually ill enough to go home Oddly enough, I never recieved that. Should maybe try a followup email about it, given they were so adamant I was doing the wrong thing by keeping her home when ill, in the midst of a pandemic..Attendance targets (and rewards based on that too*)never really made much sense to me, as..if they are ill they are ill. Noone wants an ill child, and especially an ill teen moping around the house whinging! And sure, some will send them back earlier than they should, which would generally result in said bug blazing its way around the school, because either, some parents didn't want to keep the child off for whatever reason, or the school had bullied them into sending them in, so they get one 'present' instead of 'absent' in todays register, but that would be followed by many absent marks the next week, when the whole class started dropping like flies.. That ofsted report your school for online learning stuff is bad mind. I might be mistaken, but aren't most teachers currently trying to educate keyworker/other kids in school, whilst also being expected to do the online stuff? If this is the case, of course much of the online learning is not going to be perfect. I swear OFSTED cause more problems than they solve.. (*IMO the attendance awards simply encourage parents to send in ill children so they get their 100% award. Sending their kids in when ill is a crappy thing to do all round, and they shouldn't be recieving bloody backpats and stuff for it. Its also punishing kids who..well are ill. And I have been thinking lately actually such awards might actually be discriminatry, against kids who have long term medical problems, or just pretty weak immune systems for whatever reason. ) Last edited by Vicky.; 03-02-2021 at 02:59 AM. |
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03-02-2021, 03:14 AM
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I wish the bloody doom and gloom would end. That article states its looking positive, the vaccines and the new mutation. Yet this gets put across as if the vaccine won't work on the new mutations. Which makes everything seem crappier than it already is, as..so many have their hopes pinned on this vaccine being the solution to allow us to have a life again.. I do not see the benefit in things like this being spun the way they are really. I don't think this kind of 'news' does anyne any good. IF it gets confirmed that the vaccines do not work on some mutations, then fine, tell the world. But surely, while its just maybes, its a bit irresponsible to dull peoples hopes in such a way?! Especially when there seems to be no ****ing positives out there at the minute. As the actual stories seem to say that scientists are optomistic and such, but the headlines tend to be all 'omg, vaccines wont work on X strain!!!' (and almost all social media posts I see on this are like that. Seen loads stating that the vaccine categorically does not work on SA variant and some others, then posting a story that says its not sure, but the headline implicates its proven) when so many must be at the end of their tether, mental health wise anyway. And thinking there is a chance the vaccines wont work on a load of mutations, will obviously make people think there is no way out now. As so many really have everything pined on the 'miracle vaccine that shall allow us to have some semblence of a life, hopeflly soon!' That aside, its always been a weird idea really, to delay the second jabs. As this was always a very real, and even quite likely scenario. Given viruses mutate constantly to find ways to survive, if we do half the vaccination, it gives the virus more time to find a workaround for it. I also find it weird that the idea appears to be ignorng the way that the actual trials were done on the vaccines, in order to randomly do something else, insyead of..well just doing it like it was meant to be done?! This is actually part of why I totally disagree with the many who say the government are doing amazing with the vaccination stuff. I had a massive post for that thread, but it crashed and didn't save so I couldn't be arsed to redo it as the whole situation is seriously pissing me off at this stage IMO they are doing 'ok' but I think it wold be better to give the doses as they were intended, rather than blitzing round more peope, but leaving huge gaps between doses. The johnson one sounds quite promising though, with its single use status.
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03-02-2021, 04:34 AM
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Interesting ... thank you for taking the time ! PS I always ‘copy’ long posts as I’m composing them just in case. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Last edited by Zizu; 03-02-2021 at 04:36 AM. |
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03-02-2021, 08:21 AM
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https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/0...by-the-autumn/
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/0...ow-february-2/ NL: curfew decision to be delayed to weekend, everyone should be vaccinated by autumn |
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03-02-2021, 08:42 AM
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i wish these media sources provided a fuller picture of the situation with vaccines. We don't need to be completely immune to any of the variants, ie the efficacy rate of the vaccine doesn't need to be a particular value before it saves your life. What's important is that your body as a whole has enough immunity stored up so that it can fight off the virus with its various methods of fighting off any invader, similar to what happens with the common cold. All these vaccines improve your immune response to the general type of covid 19, so all this doom and gloom just isn't helpful. It's obviously important to keep track of variants, but there is no need to panic that we are back to stage 1 again. We are light years ahead of where we were this time last year
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03-02-2021, 09:10 AM
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Ita ridiculous and it promotes the same attitude in workplaces - people coming in sick and making everyone else sick which puts a much bigger dent in productivity than just staying home! My old employer actually had automatic disciplinary processes for it, you couldn't be off sick more than twice in a 6 month span. And it was double dumb too - it was "periods of absence" not days off. Off for two blocks of 2 weeks each? That's fine. Off for one day in October, one in December and one in January? Automatic disciplinary meeting with regional manager. Madness. |
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03-02-2021, 09:18 AM
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Thanks for this reassuring take on things .. I’m 63 in a few weeks ( and work in a high school ) so I feel rather vulnerable . On one hand I’m desperate to get vaccinated but even the prospect of that is a concern as I’m one of those hypersensitive individuals.. For starters I’m allergic to the range of penicillin antibiotics plus very sensitive to noise , fumes , flavours even textures . Throw in my Aspergers and I’m the complete package  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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03-02-2021, 09:52 AM
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Remembering Kerry
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My Mum is getting her vaccine this weekend.
She's absolutely near terrified as she is confused by all the it may do this, it should be okay to wait 12 weeks for the next one. They think this, that or the other. All she wants to hear is certainties and they know not think. That's what trials are for to get the full certain picture of vaccines as to anything. While I share some of her concerns, she is getting it this weekend, I'm ensuring that. So I've a fun Saturday coming up I think. Despite the if, maybe, should and could statements on the vaccines, I myself do think once offered they should be accepted. So I hope all will too. |
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03-02-2021, 09:59 AM
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03-02-2021, 10:06 AM
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https://www.thelocal.de/20210202/how...ny-this-winter
A long cold winter mixed with a Covid-19 lockdown, the threat of new variants and a sluggish vaccine rollout makes for a tough time for people in Germany, writes Rachel Loxton. “Everyone struggles at this time of year in Germany,” a friend said as we trudged through snow in below freezing temperatures in Berlin’s Tiergarten at the weekend. It’s true that winters in northern Europe always hit hard. You forget how bad they are until you’re in the middle of one. And you forget how long they last, often stretching out into March. It's a bit like the second wave of the pandemic itself - getting through November and December was one thing, but January, which felt like three years, was a serious mental hurdle in itself to overcome. Although vaccinations are being carried out on the most elderly, the excitement of the immunisation programme starting has worn off. Coupled with supply issues and organisation problems, the thought of lining up to get your first dose feels very far off. Winters in Germany are usually made more bearable by candlelit bars, visits to restaurants and, well, just generally being allowed to go out and talk to people. A walk in the freezing cold is improved immeasurably by the option of getting a hot chocolate after and sitting by a radiator inside a busy cafe. It’s these little things - or rather the absence of them - that are making everything feel extra difficult this year. Germany has been in a state of shutdown since the start of November. With restaurants, cinemas, gyms, cafes and bars closed - plus schools and non-essential shops since December - there isn’t much to do except be at home. And that can differ dramatically depending on your situation. I know some people trying to homeschool in tiny flats (I've no idea how you're doing it), while others are living alone, unable to have much real life social contact. People I know in Berlin - and other countries in lockdown - are becoming increasingly irritated by their neighbours, whether it's their annoying DIY project, music choices or online fitness classes. At this point I take it personally when I hear my upstairs neighbour buzzing in guests that he shouldn’t be: a household in Germany is only allowed to meet with one other person under the current contact rules, and the recommendation is to have a small social bubble. The fact is that many people have too much time on their hands, either because they’re on Kurzarbeit (Germany’s furlough scheme) or they’ve lost their job. Meanwhile others are stretched thinly, working in industries that can’t be put on pause. Covid-19 cases going down, but worries over variants Things are looking up in some ways. The number of infections per 100,000 residents in seven days has dipped below 100 in Germany recently It had nearly hit 200 at the peak just before Christmas. This should be a cause for celebration after such dismal weeks but we’re all aware of how long the road ahead is. The incidence rate has to come down much further (the 7-day incidence was below 10 in the summer) and the variants are massively complicating matters. Germany has moved quickly on that front. Mask rules were tightened last month - people now have to wear medical masks while shopping and on public transport. And most people seem to have accepted the change: now FFP2 masks are a common sight in Berlin. Plus major travel restrictions are in place: non-German residents coming from Covid-variant problem countries are currently banned. This will hopefully keep the variants at bay while allowing the country to vaccinate more people These travel bans, though they are sensible, also make me feel further away from home. Many foreigners in Germany haven’t seen our family and friends from our home country in months or over a year. “It’s hard because I don’t know when it will end and I don’t know when I’ll see my parents again,” my friend told me on our walk. I agree that the uncertainty is hard to accept. It's like being stuck in a limbo, unsure when I'll be able to book a flight home to Scotland, sit in a cafe again or hug my friends. Go for a pint or get a haircut. Or just sit in a restaurant. And so we walk. In Berlin people bundle up in lots of layers and walk along the canal, in the parks or on the streets. Moving around is the only option if you want to be outside because it’s too cold to be in the same place for a long time. We walk because there’s nothing else to do. We walk in the rain, the snow and the sub-zero temperatures. There is nothing else to do but plod on and hope it gets better soon.
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