[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

....but I havent said he didnt make mistakes...so your accusations are wrong.

That's not what I said.

I said you rewrote that his mistakes were only seen in hindsight, thus relieving him of blame. Which is plain wrong.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That's not what I said.

I said you rewrote that his mistakes were only seen in hindsight, thus relieving him of blame. Which is plain wrong.

You are making this up and insinuating things to come to your own conclusion on what Rusti has said.. . She just said in hindsight it’s always eaisier to see where you go wrong.. Which is true.

Also why are you turning this thread into negatives, this is about the amazing job done by Boris

[Marsh.]

Wrong again, Jack. I'm responding to something rustic posted, she brought it into the thread.

But you knew that.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That's not what I said.

I said you rewrote that his mistakes were only seen in hindsight, thus relieving him of blame. Which is plain wrong.

You said I was 'pretending' mistakes didn't happen....its quite simple I didnt say that. If you want to bring my use of the word 'hindsight' into it it has no relevance to your accusation...because hindsight relieves no one of blame...again you twist words to suit your agenda and its tiresome..

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Also why are you turning this thread into negatives, this is about the amazing job done by Boris

Some people just are not big enough to give credit where credit is due...sad really, because there is no denying Boris and his Government have done a great job regarding the Vaccines.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Some people just are not big enough to give credit where credit is due...

Where is this exactly? I responded to something you brought up.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You said I was 'pretending' mistakes didn't happen....its quite simple I didnt say that. If you want to bring my use of the word 'hindsight' into it it has no relevance to your accusation...because hindsight relieves no one of blame...again you twist words to suit your agenda and its tiresome..

It has a big relevance. "It's easy to spot mistakes in hindsight" is insinuating he couldn't have seen them at the time, when he could.

You can twist it and make that my problem all you want, but those are your words.

[Tom4784]

At the end of the day, all the world leaders, Boris included, had reports about the threat of Covid back in January 2020. No one can truthfully claim he didn't see it coming and that hindsight is 20/20 when he was informed of the dangers and did nothing until his hand was forced.

The babying of Boris is an insult to those who have died due to his mismanagement. When will Tory supporters take their tongue out of his arsehole and hold him accountable?

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

At the end of the day, all the world leaders, Boris included, had reports about the threat of Covid back in January 2020. No one can truthfully claim he didn't see it coming and that hindsight is 20/20 when he was informed of the dangers and did nothing until his hand was forced.

The babying of Boris is an insult to those who have died due to his mismanagement. When will Tory supporters take their tongue out of his arsehole and hold him accountable?

Off topic a bit there, this thread is about the covid vaccination roll out

As I was saying, fantastic job Boris, Matt Hancock, lovely Priti and the whole government for going above and beyond

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It has a big relevance. "It's easy to spot mistakes in hindsight" is insinuating he couldn't have seen them at the time, when he could.

You can twist it and make that my problem all you want, but those are your words.

You are seriously boring me now....Im moving on.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Off topic a bit there, this thread is about the covid vaccination roll out

As I was saying, fantastic job Boris, Matt Hancock, lovely Priti and the whole government for going above and beyond

And it has since moved on to the covid response in general, deal with it.

It's quite sad how tory supporters will seem to support any incompetence as long as it's dressed up in blue. If any party had committed the sins that the tories have, I'd condemn them all the same whether I voted for them or not, could you say you'd be as supportive if a non-tory party had responded to Covid like the tories did? Not if you were being honest with yourself.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

At the end of the day, all the world leaders, Boris included, had reports about the threat of Covid back in January 2020. No one can truthfully claim he didn't see it coming and that hindsight is 20/20 when he was informed of the dangers and did nothing until his hand was forced.

The babying of Boris is an insult to those who have died due to his mismanagement. When will Tory supporters take their tongue out of his arsehole and hold him accountable?

Shall I put you down as a no?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Shall I put you down as a no?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Off topic a bit there, this thread is about the covid vaccination roll out

As I was saying, fantastic job Boris, Matt Hancock, lovely Priti and the whole government for going above and beyond

exactly, and they do a very good job with that

the numbers speak for itself, those who had their single dose highly doubt they will end up on the ICU which is good

[jet]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

As I was saying, fantastic job Boris, Matt Hancock, lovely Priti and the whole government for going above and beyond

They deserve a lot of praise for this. Great job Gov!

[Tom4784]

They don't deserve praise for cleaning up their mess, no.

[Captain.Remy]

I don't live in the UK anymore so I can't comment on what is happening right now. But I will say that from what we see and read from an outside country, the UK is seen as a very reactive country when it comes to vaccines. But really for the management of the pandemic itself, Boris is not really praised (not that most world leaders are praised for their incredible crisis management skills either)

But thankfully the roll out is good because you have all dealt with such a bad situation (not that it is glorious in France either having a curfew and a possible third lockdown...) due to mismanagement from the early days of the pandemic.
I think it's too early to say whether this is a success or not, time will tell because data is not solid yet and second doses have not all been given. Crossed fingers from a friendly country

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You are seriously boring me now....Im moving on.

A post with nothing of substance... again. Maybe don't post words you clearly don't understand the meaning of in future to avoid you spending 2 pages denying having used them.

[parmnion]

Blame the people refusing to take the vaccine....the same people currently coughing over thier patients.

Blame the people refusing to cohere to guidlines.

Blame the minorities...


That's what question time said, anyway.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The question is about the here and now though, no one has a crystal ball

My point stands Cherie - if someone comes to put in a new kitchen I'm not going to say he's "done a great job" and hand over the cash until the job is finished. He might completely cock something up at the end and leave having done an absolutely **** job.

You can say "things are going well", "things are looking good" etc. but you can't say that a good job has been done when the job is not done at all.

You're right, no one has a crystal ball and that's why no one should be declaring a job well done until the job is done and there are still areas where this could fall apart; e.g. If there isn't enough supply for second doses.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My point stands Cherie - if someone comes to put in a new kitchen I'm not going to say he's "done a great job" and hand over the cash until the job is finished. He might completely cock something up at the end and leave having done an absolutely **** job.

You can say "things are going well", "things are looking good" etc. but you can't say that a good job has been done when the job is not done at all.

You're right, no one has a crystal ball and that's why no one should be declaring a job well done until the job is done and there are still areas where this could fall apart; e.g. If there isn't enough supply for second doses.

The question is phrased in the present tense...are they ‘doing’ a good job

iI had someone fitting my kitchen and they were currently doing a great job and I was asked what kind of job were they doing...what would I say?

As it stands yes the kitchen fitter is doing a great job

Yes I could speculate that down the line he might blow the electrics but that would be speculation and unfair as currently there is no indication that might happen

If a surgeon operates on you and does a great job, but you pick up an infection when you get home it doesn’t take away that that initially the surgery went well

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The question is phrased in the present tense...are they ‘doing’ a good job

iI had someone fitting my kitchen and they were currently doing a great job and I was asked what kind of job were they doing...what would I say?

As it stands yes the kitchen fitter is doing a great job

Yes I could speculate that down the line he might blow the electrics but that would be speculation and unfair as currently there is no indication that might happen

If a surgeon operates on you and does a great job, but you pick up an infection when you get home it doesn’t take away that that initially the surgery went well

You said it all for me.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The question is phrased in the present tense...are they ‘doing’ a good job

iI had someone fitting my kitchen and they were currently doing a great job and I was asked what kind of job were they doing...what would I say?

As it stands yes the kitchen fitter is doing a great job

Yes I could speculate that down the line he might blow the electrics but that would be speculation and unfair as currently there is no indication that might happen

If a surgeon operates on you and does a great job, but you pick up an infection when you get home it doesn’t take away that that initially the surgery went well

we're not talking about a surgery that's complete and something might go wrong later, we're looking at a patient still on the table with their ribs cracked open. You can say that everything seems to be going fine, but you can't say it's a good job until you have some evidence that it's a good job.

In terms of vaccines, we know that they are currently doing a QUICK job, and we HOPE that the outcome is going to be good. Certainly, I'm not saying there's any evidence that the outcome won't be positive. I'm just saying there's no way to know either way. Saying they're "doing a good job" is at best observational guesswork. It's fine that some people are OK with that and comfortable declaring that a good job... but I personally want to see the outcome of "a good job" before I confidently declare it "a good job". Again I have no problem with others thinking this is a good job - I have a problem with certain people "pushing for an answer" to try to smugly railroad others into declaring it a good job, when there are perfectly valid reasons for not wanting to answer that question yet.

[smudgie]

Up to now it appears to be going well.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

we're not talking about a surgery that's complete and something might go wrong later, we're looking at a patient still on the table with their ribs cracked open. You can say that everything seems to be going fine, but you can't say it's a good job until you have some evidence that it's a good job.

In terms of vaccines, we know that they are currently doing a QUICK job, and we HOPE that the outcome is going to be good. Certainly, I'm not saying there's any evidence that the outcome won't be positive. I'm just saying there's no way to know either way. Saying they're "doing a good job" is at best observational guesswork. It's fine that some people are OK with that and comfortable declaring that a good job... but I personally want to see the outcome of "a good job" before I confidently declare it "a good job". Again I have no problem with others thinking this is a good job - I have a problem with certain people "pushing for an answer" to try to smugly railroad others into declaring it a good job, when there are perfectly valid reasons for not wanting to answer that question yet.

My interpretation is the question is about the vaccine roll out?

In terms of orders of vaccine

In terms of investment in research

In terms of infrastructure

In terms of having humans vaccinating 7 days a week

Yes you can add in all sorts of of ifs and buts and what might happen

But in terms of the now..it’s going well


I thought you loved an analogy seems not!