[LeatherTrumpet]

Just shows you how lies can grow wings when they fit a media narrative

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just shows you how lies can grow wings when they fit a media narrative

no, it more shows how certain people can get away with literally anything

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

no, it more shows how certain people can get away with literally anything

no it does not

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Though law enforcement officials initially said Officer Sicknick was struck with
a fire extinguisher, police sources and investigators are at odds over whether he
was hit. Medical experts have said he did not die of blunt force trauma,
according to one law enforcement official.

Investigators have found little evidence to back up the attack with the fire
extinguisher as the cause of death, the official said. Instead, they increasingly
suspect that a factor was Officer Sicknick being sprayed in the face by some
sort of irritant, like mace or bear spray, the law enforcement official said."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/u...-injuries.html

Ehh that's a bit of a reach, he was still killed by the rioters.

It's not as ambiguous as a case where, say, someone was claiming he couldn't breathe before he was knelt on, the cop literally died as a result of the riot, even if it isn'tentirely clear how it happened.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just shows you how lies can grow wings when they fit a media narrative

Yes and also the importance of media accuracy, as certain individuals will latch onto incorrect details or inconsistencies and use those to further their wild conspiracy theories. Sometimes very real confirmation bias, sometimes just disingenuously.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's not as ambiguous as a case where, say, someone was claiming he couldn't breathe before he was knelt on, the cop literally died as a result of the riot, even if it is entirely clear how it happened.

I know you mean this to cast ambiguity/doubt on the guilt of those involved but it actually does the opposite; if someone is complaining that they can't breathe properly or feel unwell and someone then STILL chooses to kneel on them, knowing that they are not at full strength/health and thus even more likely to come to harm, it actually increases their culpability.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Ehh that's a bit of a reach, he was still killed by the rioters.

It's not as ambiguous as a case where, say, someone was claiming he couldn't breathe before he was knelt on, the cop literally died as a result of the riot, even if it is entirely clear how it happened.

Yes, Antifa rioters. But falsely blamed on innocent Trump supporters.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

Yes, Antifa rioters. But falsely blamed on innocent Trump supporters.

What makes you think they were Antifa?

[Ammi]

...would it be possible to post the whole article from the NY Times, LT...it’s not a source that can be accessed without a sign up...

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What makes you think they were Antifa?

History. Actions, motive.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What makes you think they were Antifa?

Youtube video

[Ammi]

...it’s ok actually, I found another article ...and it is a bit confusing because it says that there wasn’t any sign of a head trauma and yet one of the causes of death being said to be concussion...how could that be being said with no sign of a head trauma...he did collapse and lose his life ...(...is reported to have by the police..)...because of injuries directly caused in the attack and collapsing the next day would seem to suggest a head injury and concussion...and the article that I’ve just read, is saying that the NY times hasn’t pursued their story/hasn’t updated it...when surely it would be ongoing and high profile with its updates if proving great truth in it..

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

History. Actions, motive.

Antifa aren't the only bunch of violent thugs out there

One could argue that if the rioters genuinely believe they're fighting against a corrupt and supressive government then they might technically be classed as being against facism But there's no real reason to think they're part of Antifa itself.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Antifa aren't the only bunch of violent thugs out there

One could argue that if they genuinely believe they're fighting against a corrupt and supressive government then they might technically be classed as being against facism But there's no real reason to think they're part of Antifa itself.

Have a look through Andy Ngo's Twitter timeline.

He follows and reports on Antifa, every single night. Video action from on the ground.

[Alf]

Whatever happened to the woman who was apparently shot dead in the Capitol building?

This should have been a massive story all over the news. Reports on her family, reports on her funeral. TV investigations, commentators talking about it.

Yet

Crickets


Why?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

Whatever happened to the woman who was apparently shot dead in the Capitol building?

This should have been a massive story all over the news. Reports on her family, reports on her funeral. TV investigations, commentators talking about it.

Yet

Crickets


Why?

Because she died a traitors death during an insurrection.

[bitontheslide]

what i find incredulous is the way qanon have moved the conspiracy goal posts to even more ludicrous theories now and still some people believe it

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what i find incredulous is the way qanon have moved the conspiracy goal posts to even more ludicrous theories now and still some people believe it

Have you seen the face swap stuff?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what i find incredulous is the way qanon have moved the conspiracy goal posts to even more ludicrous theories now and still some people believe it

My favourite is the cognitive dissonance involved in the idea that Biden is actually a puppet Democrat under the control of Q, and thus, Trump is still president and secretly making all of the decisions, but using Biden as a figurehead to appease other parties.

....mind blowing.

[bitontheslide]

Here is one I have seen:

an obscure 1871 act made the United States a corporation and not a federal government, thus rendering any laws passed after that year moot and U.S. citizens not subject to them. According to this theory, the United States will revert back to its original form on March 4th, the date when presidents were inaugurated prior to the 1933 passage of the 20th amendment. They believe Trump will be sworn in as the 19th president of the United States. (The 18th president, Ulysses S. Grant, served between 1869 and 1877, or the time period when those who cling to this theory believe the United States “became” a “corporation.”)

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Have you seen the face swap stuff?

no, thats a new one to me

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Here is one I have seen:

an obscure 1871 act made the United States a corporation and not a federal government, thus rendering any laws passed after that year moot and U.S. citizens not subject to them. According to this theory, the United States will revert back to its original form on March 4th, the date when presidents were inaugurated prior to the 1933 passage of the 20th amendment. They believe Trump will be sworn in as the 19th president of the United States. (The 18th president, Ulysses S. Grant, served between 1869 and 1877, or the time period when those who cling to this theory believe the United States “became” a “corporation.”)

Yes, I did hear the "The US hasn't had a legitimate president for the last 150 years" theory. Funnily enough, they REALLY don't like it if you point out that this would include Trump.

[Tom4784]

It's sobering to see radicalisation and how easily to can completely warp a person's sense of reason and reality in action.

It's honestly scary how easily people can be made to ignore facts, to truly believe that Trump was robbed, that it wasn't Trumpers who rioted, that basically anything they don't like just didn't happen. It's like people who believe Q are going backwards, like their minds are rescinding to that of a toddler.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's sobering to see radicalisation and how easily to can completely warp a person's sense of reason and reality in action.

It's honestly scary how easily people can be made to ignore facts, to truly believe that Trump was robbed, that it wasn't Trumpers who rioted, that basically anything they don't like just didn't happen. It's like people who believe Q are going backwards, like their minds are rescinding to that of a toddler.

I think it just shows the power of confirmation bias, really. I'd imagine it's very rare for people to be converted to "Q thinking" if they didn't already want that narrative to be true. You don't see much "God I've always hated Trump, but hey, you can't deny these FACTS!" ... it's only people who were already leaning that way, and now need justifications to latch onto, or a glimmer of hope that their "dream" hasn't come to an end and it's secretly all part of the plan.

It's not restricted to just Trump/Q stuff of course, there's a similar pattern in most divisive topics these days... a real determination to pick a path and then stick to that path no matter what.