[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...710.html%3famp

Thank you ...

It does say pupils will be ‘advised’ to wear masks though . ..

Oh well ... fingers crossed then ..




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[arista]

[Kazanne]

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/categoric...203752437.html

The gutter press with more lies, claiming he was at odds with the PM,exactly the reason they cannot be trusted with the truth

[Nicky91]

UK deserves to relax some measures i think, they've done their best to bring numbers down so

[Vicky.]

The pub/restaurant beer garden thing, is basically saying pubs/restaurants are closed until they can serve indoors to me. Even if we got a heat wave, most places, if they even have a beer garden, have like 2 tables or something. It will not be worth it, for the pubs to open to serve 2 tables of people. I mean, its nice to have some kind of plan, but that bits not been thouight through too much I think!

Schools all back at the same time sounds a bit disastrous, BUT...a hell of a lot of the high risk people have been vaccinated now. I know the second dose makes it a bit more effective, but the trials said smething along the lines of the second dose boosts it by 5% or something? So its not THAT much different really. Aslong as those who would get it badly are a bit safer, I honestly cannot see the problem even if we do get 'another wave'. Meaning of course, aslong as its not another dodgy mutation that can evade antibodies or something that causes the next wave. If its a strain that the vaccine is effective against (and it seems that most are) then...its just like a wave of flu/cold sweeping the country...assuming the vaccines do work as they say. If the vaccines do NOT protect that well against serious infection, then its a whole other story.

[bots]

the data is showing very high rates of protection from hospitalisation after 1 dose. I think the government have been very sensible in the loosening of restrictions. They were also right to get as many as possible the first jab as proven in the data.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the data is showing very high rates of protection from hospitalisation after 1 dose. I think the government have been very sensible in the loosening of restrictions. They were also right to get as many as possible the first jab as proven in the data.

Yeah it does look like they made the right call there like

As I say, this 'another wave' stuff...is not as disastrous as some seem to think it is, assuming that the vaccines are as sucessful as it looks like they are. Because if people stay away from hospitals and people are not dying, its basically just another cold type thing.

I think it said on the news its something like 95% of hospitalisations are being avoided because of the vaccine..which is bloody amazing really.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I dont know where you are getting your information from ,I am a teachers assistant and I got my jab last Friday,so they ARE getting them

Unless you’re clinically vulnerable you aren’t able to receive a jab Kaz.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Unless you’re clinically vulnerable you aren’t able to receive a jab Kaz.

Don't be so silly, that is fake news, how has Smithy got it then?

The TAs, teachers and management have all received it in our local special needs school

Are you saying they are all clinically vulnerable

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

All the teachers at my son's school have had theirs too

Did you have any side effects Kaz?

Originally Posted by Cherie

yep all the staff at the school I used to work with have got them, some going back a few weeks but most in half term

and that is everyone, including management and admin staff

if fact they rolled out a limited supply in late January and some of the management helped themselves before the staff who are actually in classrooms with the children, and these children are special needs so do not know how to socially distance

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[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Don't be so silly, that is fake news, how has Smithy got it then?

The TAs, teachers and management have all received it in our local special needs school

Are you saying they are all clinically vulnerable

All of the teachers that work with special needs schools have received it here also Cherie. Main stream teachers haven’t received them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

All of the teachers that work with special needs schools have received it here also Cherie. Main stream teachers haven’t received them.

so what is your point to Kaz about then

and have you a response to Annie whose son is in mainstream?

also do you think a 30 year old teacher should get a jab before someone who is 55 and works in a supermarket?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so what is your point to Kaz about then

and have you a response to Annie whose son is in mainstream?

also do you think a 30 year old teacher should get a jab before someone who is 55 and works in a supermarket?

Everyone dealing with the public should get a vaccine.

And my point to kaz was that ALL teachers should be vaccinated before the schools open

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Unless you’re clinically vulnerable you aren’t able to receive a jab Kaz.

Im not vunerable and Ive had it, so have others at our school.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Im not vunerable and Ive had it, so have others at our school.

You just said you work in a special needs school though haven’t you? That’s why you have had it.

A lot of teachers in my area have had to lie and say they work with special needs children to secure a jab.

There hasn’t been a program to specifically get teachers vaccinated.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You just said you work in a special needs school though haven’t you? That’s why you have had it.

A lot of teachers in my area have had to lie and say they work with special needs children to secure a jab.

There hasn’t been a program to specifically get teachers vaccinated.

But statisticians caution that the figures do not necessarily mean that their deaths were caused by the places they worked.

Male Covid deaths by occupation
These were the sectors with the highest death rates for men:

elementary occupations (manual labour) (66.3 deaths per 100,000 males in that sector; 699 deaths)

caring, leisure and other service occupations (64.1 deaths per 100,000 males in that sector; 258 deaths)

process, plant and machine operatives (52.8 deaths per 100,000 males; 827 deaths)

skilled trades occupations (40.4 deaths per 100,000 males; 848 deaths)

sales and customer service occupations (40.3 deaths per 100,000 males; 156 deaths)

administrative and secretarial occupations (39.0 deaths per 100,000 males; 186 deaths)

More specifically, these were the jobs with the highest death rates from Covid for men:

restaurant and catering establishment managers and proprietors (119.3 deaths per 100,000 males in that sector; 26 deaths)

metal working and machine operatives (106.1 deaths per 100,000 males; 40 deaths)

food, drink and tobacco process operatives (103.7 deaths per 100,000 males; 52 deaths)

chefs (103.1 deaths per 100,000 males; 82 deaths)

taxi and cab drivers and chauffeurs (101.4 deaths per 100,000 males; 209 deaths)

nursing auxiliaries and assistants (87.2 deaths per 100,000 males; 45 deaths)

elementary construction occupations (82.1 deaths per 100,000 males; 70 deaths)

nurses (79.1 deaths per 100,000 males; 47 deaths)

local government administrative occupations (72.1 deaths per 100,000 males; 23 deaths)

bus and coach drivers (70.3 deaths per 100,000 males; 83 deaths)

Female Covid deaths by occupation


process, plant and machine operatives (33.7 deaths per 100,000 females; 57 deaths)

caring, leisure and other service occupations (27.3 deaths per 100,000 females; 460 deaths)

elementary occupations (21.1 deaths per 100,000 females; 227 deaths)

More specifically, these were the jobs with the highest death rates from Covid for women:

social workers (32.4 deaths per 100,000 females; 25 deaths)

national government administrative occupations (27.9 deaths per 100,000 females; 26 deaths)

sales and retail assistants (26.9 deaths per 100,000 females; 111 deaths)

managers and directors in retail and wholesale (26.7 deaths per 100,000 females, 24 deaths)

nursing auxiliaries and assistants (25.3 deaths per 100,000 females; 54 deaths)

nurses (24.5 deaths per 100,000 females; 110 deaths

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b6fe97669dd57d

so many people have gone out to work every day since the pandemic started and they wouldn't dream of lying to get a jab

[Glenn.]

If there was a program to get teachers vaccinated before being forced back to work then they wouldn’t have to lie.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

If there was a program to get teachers vaccinated before being forced back to work then they wouldn’t have to lie.

They are plenty people who go out to work every day unvaccinated, wait your turn, a 30 year old teacher does not take priority over a 55 year old supermarket worker

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

All of the teachers that work with special needs schools have received it here also Cherie. Main stream teachers haven’t received them.

It’s a different picture wherever you look I’m 63 in a few weeks and I’ve worked in a mainstream high school supporting Autistic and Aspergers teenagers for 25 years ..

I haven’t had an offer of a vaccine and none of our staff have either ..

I’m only getting mine done tonight ( hopefully) because my wife is getting hers and they offered one to me as well .


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They are plenty people who go out to work every day unvaccinated, wait your turn, a 30 year old teacher does not take priority over a 55 year old supermarket worker

Guess it’s a quandary ..

Second school teaching staff are crammed into a smallish classroom along with up to 33 teenagers and maybe two other adults.. . for around 5 hours per day

That’s scary given teenagers are mixing freely out of school .... masks are rarely worn ..


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Everyone dealing with the public should get a vaccine.



And my point to kaz was that ALL teachers should be vaccinated before the schools open

I agree... especially given they could apparently have done everyone over a weekend ..

Sadly won’t be happening..


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[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Everyone dealing with the public should get a vaccine.

And my point to kaz was that ALL teachers should be vaccinated before the schools open

No

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

As I say, this 'another wave' stuff...is not as disastrous as some seem to think it is, assuming that the vaccines are as sucessful as it looks like they are. Because if people stay away from hospitals and people are not dying, its basically just another cold type thing.

I think it said on the news its something like 95% of hospitalisations are being avoided because of the vaccine..which is bloody amazing really.

I made your "if" bigger a 3rd wave, if one comes, is IMO likely to be in late October again and (obviously) we have no data about the extent that vaccines will reduce hospitalisation/death at the 6 month+ mark... only in the short term (as people have only been vaccinated en masse for a couple of months).

It does look hopeful though and I agree, the numbers to watch beyond next Autumn, post-vaccine, will be hospitalisations and deaths with total infections becoming a less important statistic. That's not to say an unimportant statistic of course... if the vaccines only prevent severe illness but do little to limit general circulation, the chance of mutation remains high and vaccine tweaks/need for re-vaccination will be needed to stop a repeat. Severe illness being way down in a huge win, but reduced overall infection rates will always be important looking further ahead. Imagine if things look fine until October 2022 and then they're like "Wups everyone back home, we need new vaccinations" .

[Nicky91]

there will be a third wave, not an ''if''

because of relaxing the measures too soon again

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

there will be a third wave, not an ''if''

because of relaxing the measures too soon again

Yes but the "if" was "if" there are fewer hospitalisations associated with infections, then a 3rd wave is less of an issue.