[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

we already adapted having many more working than in the first lock down. The areas that suffer are physical retail and the hospitality/entertainment industries which are going to suffer from any pandemic.



Now that the vulnerable are vaccinated, the death rate will drop to single digits by April and if a booster vaccination is required every year, so be it. I think we need to look at the positives that came from this. Vaccination technology has progressed exponentially, working off site is easily feasible, business flights will sustain at a low level

I did read that the research into Covid vaccines has resulted in the first successful trials of a effective malaria vaccine with 80%+ efficacy (precious efforts had yielded a pretty much useless 40%).

If that's the case and it can be rolled out in good numbers, it'll save millions of lives in Africa, and unfortunately nearly 70% of Malaria deaths are children under 5 so that's really huge news. In fact on balance it's likely that more lives in the long term will be saved by medical advances related to the pandemic than will be lost to the pandemic.

[Nicky91]

we got a new vaccine, here at the University Medical Centre in Groningen

lots of interest for test subjects, over 1.500 people here

https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/76/

this one AKS-452 from the american company Akston Biosciences

[arista]

[arista]

[Vanessa]

The EU stopping vaccinations has resulted in rise in a third wave. So they have to lockdown.
While we keep vaccinating and are about to open up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just had my Jag, literally felt nothing

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just had my Jag, literally felt nothing

Good to hear. Perfect excuse to take it easy today though....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just had my Jag, literally felt nothing

......

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just had my Jag, literally felt nothing

Did you hear Bill Gates in your ear though? That's the important test

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

The EU stopping vaccinations has resulted in rise in a third wave. So they have to lockdown.

While we keep vaccinating and are about to open up.

I think this is a common misconception to be honest... We have just had the wave that's now sweeping Europe. The huge spike we saw in January is what most of Europe is experiencing now. That's why I also don't understand why some news stories are worried that we'll be "next" . Lots of evidence to suggest that it's the "Kent strain" that's pushing numbers up all across Europe now and that was the strain that swept the UK over winter.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just had my Jag, literally felt nothing

That's what I said LT, then the next day I felt really "off" and on day 3 totally exhausted and my arm was very sore . Woken up feeling fine yesterday though. Arm still feels slightly tender but just like a mild bruise.

That said, I did read that AZ makes younger people feel rougher and doesn't affect oldies quite as much (a lot of over 70's don't experience any side effects at all) so maybe you'll be OK.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just had my Jag, literally felt nothing

Excellent


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[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's what I said LT, then the next day I felt really "off" and on day 3 totally exhausted and my arm was very sore . Woken up feeling fine yesterday though. Arm still feels slightly tender but just like a mild bruise.

That said, I did read that AZ makes younger people feel rougher and doesn't affect oldies quite as much (a lot of over 70's don't experience any side effects at all) so maybe you'll be OK.

my arm got sore after about 48 hours, then after half a day it was fine I think the AZ symptoms all follow a very similar path, just the severity of them differs slightly person to person. The perception is largely very subjective. One persons "feeling a bit off" could be anothers "feeling like death warmed up". Also, older people have gotten used to so many aches and pains etc that they consider feeling crap pretty normal

Pfizer again seems quite predictable. Soreness, muscle pain and more of a reaction on the 2nd jab than those have on AZ

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

my arm got sore after about 48 hours, then after half a day it was fine I think the AZ symptoms all follow a very similar path, just the severity of them differs slightly person to person. The perception is largely very subjective. One persons "feeling a bit off" could be anothers "feeling like death warmed up". Also, older people have gotten used to so many aches and pains etc that they consider feeling crap pretty normal

Pfizer again seems quite predictable. Soreness, muscle pain and more of a reaction on the 2nd jab than those have on AZ

I did think that actually - like I have 2 kids and I never get enough sleep so I'm always knackered anyway... so while I did feel pretty wiped from it, it wasn't THAT far from normal . I was wondering if someone who is usually well-rested and full of energy would feel like that and think "Oh god this is horrendous". Well welcome to my life buddy .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's what I said LT, then the next day I felt really "off" and on day 3 totally exhausted and my arm was very sore . Woken up feeling fine yesterday though. Arm still feels slightly tender but just like a mild bruise.

That said, I did read that AZ makes younger people feel rougher and doesn't affect oldies quite as much (a lot of over 70's don't experience any side effects at all) so maybe you'll be OK.

[arista]

[People vaccinated up to and including 19 March 2021

First dose: 26,853,407

Second dose: 2,132,551]



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

[Cherie]

AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine is both safe and highly effective, new trial data from the United States shows.
The data revealed the jab was 79 per cent effective against preventing symptomatic Covid-19 and 100 per cent effective at preventing severe illness and hospitalisation.
Scientists also said there were no safety concerns associated with blood clots.


The independent

Another link

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt...ctive-76600407

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just had my Jag, literally felt nothing

That’s what she said

Congrats how are you feeling today?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine is both safe and highly effective, new trial data from the United States shows.
The data revealed the jab was 79 per cent effective against preventing symptomatic Covid-19 and 100 per cent effective at preventing severe illness and hospitalisation.
Scientists also said there were no safety concerns associated with blood clots.


The independent

Another link

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt...ctive-76600407

the eu have a lot to answer for in their whole handling of the AZ vaccine. They have actually directly caused the death of eu citizens which is unforgivable

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the eu have a lot to answer for in their whole handling of the AZ vaccine. They have actually directly caused the death of eu citizens which is unforgivable

so what

we don't have to answer for anything

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the eu have a lot to answer for in their whole handling of the AZ vaccine. They have actually directly caused the death of eu citizens which is unforgivable

100% effective against severe disease and hospitalisation is the news we have all been waiting for

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

100% effective against severe disease and hospitalisation is the news we have all been waiting for

Its fantastic news.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Its fantastic news.

It's the most important thing by far but it will mean remembering that the only figures worth watching (once vaccination percentage is high) will be hospitalisations and deaths, case numbers will become somewhat irrelevant.

Will also be interesting to keep an eye on data about how transmissable Covid is from asymptomatic people, which I assume will be a big reaearch focus once the vaccines are in full swing. If risk of transmission from an asymptomatic person is low then it's even better news. I *think* early data has suggested that you're much less likely to get in "in passing" from an asymptomatic person because they're not coughing/sneezing/otherwise... erm... secreting... and the only real risk with asymptomatic transmission is between people who live in close proximity or frequently get "very close". In short, you could probably catch it quite easily from an asymptomatic person if you're snogging their face off, but not if you were sat next to them on a train.

[bots]

it's all related to viral load. An asymptomatic person has to have a low viral load if infected (similar to infected children) so they are much less likely to transmit ... it's still possible to pass it on though.

The hospital cases are dropping very rapidly which supports the idea that the vaccine is working, because the lockdown was never as strict as it was last March so transmission is still a distinct possibility and the only real difference in the equation is the vaccine

[Crimson Dynamo]