[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by jet

More from the article:

Insights into Philip's thoughts on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's decision and the deeply acrimonious fall-out as a result of it have been aired by his impeccably connected biographer, Gyles Brandreth in today's Daily Mail.

His account comes as royal sources reacted angrily to the suggestion the Duke of Edinburgh would have been 'unbothered' by recent events. And one insider told the Mail they believed the schism created by the couple would take a 'lifetime' to heal......
.....Ultimately, Philip loved Harry, admired him for his service career and thought him 'a good man'.


I found this bit very sad:
Mr Brandreth said Philip responded to the rift by saying: 'I'll soon be out of it and not before time.'

yes it speaks volumes...

[Glenn.]

Wondered how long it would be that Harry and Meghan were to blame for a 99yr old with an abundance of health issues dying.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Wondered how long it would be that Harry and Meghan were to blame for a 99yr old with an abundance of health issues dying.

No he was on the Way out
after his Car Crash,

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The very next line of the article states though....

Ultimately, however, he accepted it and said: 'It's his life.'

Oh gee wiz I wonder why that particular line that's the crux of the entire issue was left out in the selective quoting A mystery!

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jet

Mr Brandreth said Philip responded to the rift by saying: 'I'll soon be out of it and not before time.'

This is blatantly the dry/dark humour of a man who was noted life-long for his dry/dark humour, expressing that he's "too old for this **** " and pointing out that none of it is really what matters. It's not sad, it's wise.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

No he was on the Way out
after his Car Crash,

I mean he was on his way out since he turned 90, because everyone is on their way out by 90. That's not meant to sound harsh it's just the reality of biology.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...Gyles Brandreth who considers himself to have been a friend of Philip is publicly discussing Philip’s family relationships while his family are grieving for him and before his funeral has taken place...I personally find that repulsive and the irony is incredible...shame on him...

It's beyond classless Ammi and shows people's real care for Philip that they'd rather read and share this dross than honour his life.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...Gyles Brandreth who considers himself to have been a friend of Philip is publicly discussing Philip’s family relationships while his family are grieving for him and before his funeral has taken place...I personally find that repulsive and the irony is incredible...shame on him...

Nonsense Ammi, we all know there's nothing that elderly people like more than people having a go at their grandkids. Famed for it, the over-70's.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean he was on his way out since he turned 90, because everyone is on their way out by 90. That's not meant to sound harsh it's just the reality of biology.

We are all on our way out from the day we are born

death and taxes, no escape

Happy Monday

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is blatantly the dry/dark humour of a man who was noted life-long for his dry/dark humour, expressing that he's "too old for this **** " and pointing out that none of it is really what matters. It's not sad, it's wise.

Wow, not you knowing what people you don't know are thinking. Didn't you say posts should be prefixed with the likes of 'I think'.....

[Toy Soldier]

The irony is that there's literally no way for people defending this crap to be right. You have literally two options;

1) People are talking crap and Philip would have put his personal links with and love for his grandson above the monarchy/duty and all of the pomp and nonsense, in which case he would not have been devastated by Harry living his own life, and would be furious about him being attacked by the press and public on his behalf...

OR

2) ...he had more devotion to the institution than to his grandkids and would be happy to see his grandson and his grandson's wife attacked on his behalf after his death, and in fact using his death as a stick to beat them with, in which case Harry was absolutely right to get his family far away from that.


Those are your choices. Either people are wrong and Philip would NOT want his death being used to attack his family, OR people are right and Philip would be happy with this in which case **** the lot of them and Harry and Meghan are far better off away from that.

FWIW I think it's the former and Philip would be furious about being used as a battering ram in death.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jet

Wow, not you knowing what people you don't know are thinking. Didn't you say posts should be prefixed with the likes of 'I think'.....

"This is blatantly" i.e.
"It is apparent that" i.e.
"In my opinion" i.e.
"I think";

it's not my fault that you have lacklustre reading comprehension Jet, don't put your failings on me .

[jet]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

It's beyond classless Ammi and shows people's real care for Philip that they'd rather read and share this dross than honour his life.

Harry and Meghan shared their dross about the institution he'd dedicated his life to with the world while he lay gravely ill in hospital. What a way to honour his life, eh....and that was his grandson and his wife!
No words of condemnation about that from many - so don't come off with the faux outrage, its disgusting.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"This is blatantly" i.e.
"It is apparent that" i.e.
"In my opinion" i.e.
"I think";

it's not my fault that you have lacklustre reading comprehension Jet, don't put your failings on me .

'This is blatantly' is a statement, not an opinion.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jet

'This is blatantly' is a statement, not an opinion.

The element of observational opinion is inherent to words like "blatant", "apparent", "evident".

You're apparently incorrect on this one jet, sorry.

[thesheriff443]

Does anyone think Harry turned on his family because he blames them for the death of his mother.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by jet

Harry and Meghan shared their dross about the institution he'd dedicated his life to with the world while he lay gravely ill in hospital. What a way to honour his life, eh....and that was his grandson and his wife!
No words of condemnation about that from many - so don't come off with the faux outrage, its disgusting.

Harry and Meghan filmed the interview months before and had no say in when it aired. You know this though but it’s easier for you to invent a narrative that it’s their fault

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The element of observational opinion is inherent to words like "blatant", "apparent", "evident".

You're apparently incorrect on this one jet, sorry.

I disagree. If you had said "I think it is blatantly obvious etc...." that would be an opinion.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Harry and Meghan filmed the interview months before and had no say in when it aired. You know this though but it’s easier for you to invent a narrative that it’s their fault

There was no need what so ever to do the interview

They achieved what they wanted and had financial security
The interview as made them less popular not the other way round.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Does anyone think Harry turned on his family because he blames them for the death of his mother.

No...he has always blamed the Press for that.

[rusticgal]

It was not filmed MONTHS before Philip went into hospital. Meghan looked about 5 months pregnant...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jet

I disagree. If you had said "I think it is blatantly obvious etc...." that would be an opinion.

I'm not going to argue semantics with you jet and will continue using words like blatant and apparent with the understanding that they care an implication of subjectivity; because they do. You can disagree with me, I don't care if you son't want to improve your critical reading ability, not my business, but now that you know my stance, you have little excuse for not accepting that when I say it, that's how it's intended .

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Does anyone think Harry turned on his family because he blames them for the death of his mother.

Directly blames them for her death? I doubt it but I think he harbours resentment (understandably) for how she was treated by the institution, the press, and let's face it probably Charles. I have SOME sympathy for Charles because I don't think he wanted any of it - he was always quite clear on who/what he wanted and got there eventually - but he did at the end of the day marry and have children with a woman he probably didn't love, and things didn't end well for her whichever way you slice it.

So in short, "Yes, sort of". But I don't think it's unjustified.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

There was no need what so ever to do the interview

They achieved what they wanted and had financial security
The interview as made them less popular not the other way round.

I couldnt agree more...No need whatsoever to do that Interview apart from being spiteful and vindictive.
If you have a grievance with people...go talk to them. Dont sit and talk to a stranger on National Television about it. It was meant to hurt...and thats the most telling part.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

There was no need what so ever to do the interview

They achieved what they wanted and had financial security
The interview as made them less popular not the other way round.

They are free to do whatever interviews they want. It’s not down to you to say they shouldn’t.