[arista]

Brazil Hospitals
are now Full of Young people with Variant Covid-19,
Some Older folk still in them as well.

Ref: WION HD, CNN HD, TRTworldHD


The Top Very High Covid Death Nations

562,937 USA deaths
354,617 Brazil deaths
209,702 Mexico deaths
171,058 India deaths
127,369 United Kingdom deaths
115,088 Italy deaths

[LeatherTrumpet]

Comparing weekly mortality in 24 European countries, the findings in this paper suggest
that more severe lockdown policies have not been associated with lower mortality. In other
words, the lockdowns have not worked as intended. Further tests also show that early
interventions offered no additional benefits or effectiveness and even indicate that the
lockdowns of the spring of 2020 were associated with significantly more deaths in the
particular age group between 60 and 79 years.

The main problem at hand is therefore that the evidence presented here
suggests that lockdowns have not significantly affected the development of
mortality in Europe. They have nevertheless wreaked economic havoc in
most societies and may lead to a substantial number of additional deaths for
other reasons. A British government report from April for example assessed
that a limited lockdown could cause 185,000 excess deaths over the next
years, while UNICEF warns of an increase in child marriages, owing to the
economic effects of Western lockdowns in developing countries (DHSC 2020;
Philipose and Aika 2021). Evaluated as a whole, at a first glance, the
lockdown policies of the Spring of 2020 therefore appear to be substantial
long-run government failures.

https://academic.oup.com/cesifo/adva...fab003/6199605

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Comparing weekly mortality in 24 European countries, the findings in this paper suggest
that more severe lockdown policies have not been associated with lower mortality. In other
words, the lockdowns have not worked as intended. Further tests also show that early
interventions offered no additional benefits or effectiveness and even indicate that the
lockdowns of the spring of 2020 were associated with significantly more deaths in the
particular age group between 60 and 79 years.

The main problem at hand is therefore that the evidence presented here
suggests that lockdowns have not significantly affected the development of
mortality in Europe. They have nevertheless wreaked economic havoc in
most societies and may lead to a substantial number of additional deaths for
other reasons. A British government report from April for example assessed
that a limited lockdown could cause 185,000 excess deaths over the next
years, while UNICEF warns of an increase in child marriages, owing to the
economic effects of Western lockdowns in developing countries (DHSC 2020;
Philipose and Aika 2021). Evaluated as a whole, at a first glance, the
lockdown policies of the Spring of 2020 therefore appear to be substantial
long-run government failures.

https://academic.oup.com/cesifo/adva...fab003/6199605

well thats complete pish for starters

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

well thats complete pish for starters

publish a paper and refute it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by arista

Heathrow Tonight,
they can not keep a safe distance


To many there,


Covid can Spread

Heathrow says airport queues are becoming 'untenable'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56743571

[Heathrow has said that long queues caused
by extensive Covid checks at the
airport are becoming "untenable".
Chris Garton, chief solutions officer at Heathrow,
told MPs on the transport committee
that some travellers faced waits of up to six hours.
On more than one occasion police had had
to intervene because queuing
was "not something passengers want to do", he added.]

[Vanessa]

Just on my way back home.
Some restaurants have heated outdoor areas.
Which is a great idea, because it's quite cold in the evening.
It's nice to see central London coming back to life.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by arista

Heathrow says airport queues are becoming 'untenable'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56743571

[Heathrow has said that long queues caused
by extensive Covid checks at the
airport are becoming "untenable".
Chris Garton, chief solutions officer at Heathrow,
told MPs on the transport committee
that some travellers faced waits of up to six hours.
On more than one occasion police had had
to intervene because queuing
was "not something passengers want to do", he added.]

Waiting for six hours?
Ah forget it, I'll stay in the UK

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Just on my way back home.
Some restaurants have heated outdoor areas.
Which is a great idea, because it's quite cold in the evening.
It's nice to see central London coming back to life.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Alf

The Prime Minister's comments suggest to me that they're going to be attempting another lockdown.

He says it was the lockdowns and not the vaccine that is reason for the fall in cases.

Solution? more lockdowns, they're for our own good.

Make the most of the Summer, could be your last day's of freedom.

Now oddly enough ..
My daughter has been on a first aid course today and the the main guy ‘running’ the course ended the day with a bit of a thank you / well done speech during which he talked about the implications of Covid ..

He said that it’s commonly accepted within the medical profession that it’s almost certain that there will be another lockdown in October ..




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[arista]

[arista]

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Mmmmmm .. which is more important our rights to not be discriminated against or our rights to LIVE !!


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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Mmmmmm .. which is more important our rights to not be discriminated against or our rights to LIVE !!


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Both are extremely important and one shouldn't be downplayed completely in the name of the other, imo.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by arista

Brazil Hospitals
are now Full of Young people with Variant Covid-19,
Some Older folk still in them as well.

Ref: WION HD, CNN HD, TRTworldHD


The Top Very High Covid Death Nations

562,937 USA deaths
354,617 Brazil deaths
209,702 Mexico deaths
171,058 India deaths
127,369 United Kingdom deaths
115,088 Italy deaths

I can't believe they haven't done a lockdown yet.
They really need to get vaccinatting and quick.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I can't believe they haven't done a lockdown yet.
They really need to get vaccinatting and quick.

A huge chunk of their population lives like this.



They're not doing vaccination programmes.

...and most of them are armed to the teeth. They're not doing lockdowns.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Now oddly enough ..
My daughter has been on a first aid course today and the the main guy ‘running’ the course ended the day with a bit of a thank you / well done speech during which he talked about the implications of Covid ..

He said that it’s commonly accepted within the medical profession that it’s almost certain that there will be another lockdown in October ..




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Maybe we will avoid one with a booster?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A huge chunk of their population lives like this.



They're not doing vaccination programmes.

...and most of them are armed to the teeth. They're not doing lockdowns.

They need to do something.
It's just getting worse and worse in there

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They need to do something.
It's just getting worse and worse in there

fire Bolsonaro out of a cannon, and elect a better more stable president who does take the job seriously rather than that clown who still thinks covid is no big deal

the reason it is so worse in Brazil is all because of his lacklustre approach towards the virus

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They need to do something.
It's just getting worse and worse in there

I just don't think there's anything to be done. These massive shanty towns are hot, packed together, and the police can't even go in to sort out the widespread daily violence/drugs/gun crime ... how on earth would they enforce something like a lockdown? It's just never going to happen, and rolling out a vaccine would be almost as difficult.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I just don't think there's anything to be done. These massive shanty towns are hot, packed together, and the police can't even go in to sort out the widespread daily violence/drugs/gun crime ... how on earth would they enforce something like a lockdown? It's just never going to happen, and rolling out a vaccine would be almost as difficult.

glad i don't live there, sorry if it comes across as selfish though

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: first day of test pub went really well, though two employees couldn't attend due to testing positive and they went in self isolation, one person who signed up couldn't come either also testing positive and same went in self isolation

these tests will run for 3 more days allowed for the pub under these guidelines to stay open for test subjects only

pub in utrecht, whom immediately said yes when having been asked for this specific test trial, since it benefits their financial status as well



all test events are good economy either

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

fire Bolsonaro out of a cannon, and elect a better more stable president who does take the job seriously rather than that clown who still thinks covid is no big deal

the reason it is so worse in Brazil is all because of his lacklustre approach towards the virus

He won the Election


Maybe he is like Trump
One Term only.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I just don't think there's anything to be done. These massive shanty towns are hot, packed together, and the police can't even go in to sort out the widespread daily violence/drugs/gun crime ... how on earth would they enforce something like a lockdown? It's just never going to happen, and rolling out a vaccine would be almost as difficult.

this is why herd immunity is just not possible. Look at the months it has taken the EU to get moving on vaccination. The less developed parts of the world (which are in the majority) will never be vaccinated. So all this vaccine equality nonsense is completely meaningless too

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

this is why herd immunity is just not possible. Look at the months it has taken the EU to get moving on vaccination. The less developed parts of the world (which are in the majority) will never be vaccinated. So all this vaccine equality nonsense is completely meaningless too

umm no Bots, a poorer country like Moldova for example got quite generous vaccine donations already (from Covax, and from neighbours Romania who had decided to share also quite some doses)


a Non-EU country like Serbia is doing decent in terms of vaccinations, so well they also had said EU citizens can come over to also get the jab there (dozen of dutch people made the trip already, also few from Germany) they are of course first vaccinating their own, but they have more than enough for time being anyway

[bitontheslide]

The non city dwellers in Russia, China, india, pakistan will never get vaccinated. Most of africa will not be vaccinated, most of South America will not be vaccinated. That is most of the world population